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[Nowhere Man]

Kurdt would blow Ian away with the shotgun before he got close enough to get the noose on him.

I hated grunge because it was omnipresent. Roundabout '93, it was like herpes. Nevermind is ok now, but Smashing Pumpkins was, IMO, the band that put out the best of that era.

Sonic Youth and The Pixies transcend all of it.

I'm glad Eddie Vedder didn't kill himself.

Joy Division? OK. Who did they influence? Depeche Mode. The Cure. Moby?

If you're going to try to pin them to electronica, then Kraftwerk transcends.

I don't like the term "emo", and I don't see how Modest Mouse or Death Cab are really similar to JD.

But it is indeed a weird comparison.

NWA vs. Sabbath?

[meangradin]

[Mix1]

[Underwaterbob]

As far as the 80s and influence are concerned, like em or not REM and U2 have far more followers than Joy Division. "Alternative" music remains a far more dominant genre than electronic, only outdone by hip-hop, which is a whole other can of beans and arguably has nothing to do with either Nirvana or Joy Division.

[eamo]

I don't think Joy Division or Nirvana were really that influential.

Elvis Presley was the most influential artist of the 20th century. Ask anyone who was in any way part of the 60's musical explosion. Even if they went on to become very different from Elvis stylistically, they still got their first jolt from him.

Really, it's true. I've watched a thousand music documentaries and it gets incredibly predictable to hear them say the same name......Elvis.

Post-punk was actually centered on bands like The Police, Elvis Costello, The Clash, The Cure (who did take a little from JD). Joy Division were highly respected, but didn't actually influence those around them much.....

.....but who's to say. In my musical brain, I don't hear a lot of Joy Division in the bands that came after them.

Ian Curtis wasn't a genius. He really believed in the music he was doing and could write frickin' good lyrics about urban isolation.....but producer Martin Hannett was mostly responsible for the the sound of Unknown Pleasures and Closer.

I don't know about Nirvana because I stopped listening to every new band in about the mid-90's.

But from a UK perspective, after Kurt (genuine genuis) popped his clogs, we got the sound of Brit-pop. Blur, Oasis etc.......not very Nirvana.

[meangradin]

[Greekfreak]

Neither band was wholly original;

Nirvana's success owed more to Sonic Youth, the Pixies, Jane's addiction, Faith No More, and Butch Vig than anything else.

Sonic Youth for touring support (they'd have the early incarnation of Nirvana open for them often), The Pixies for overall sound (loud/quiet, quiet/loud), Jane's and FNM for building the foundation for people to reject hair metal (by actually selling records, unlike the Replacements or the Germs), and then Butch Vig for turning Nevermind into a pop album with punk elements.

You can hear more Black Flag on "Nevermind" than G 'n' R, but they're both present.

As for Joy Division, before them came the VU, Kraftwerk, Gary Numan w/Tubeway Army, Yiannis Xennakis, etc.

Joy Division's long-term influence will still be felt in 10 years. Nirvana's impact has already proven to be far less.

[meangradin]