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caniff
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Why do posters have to quote super-long posts in their entirety again and again when they're going back-and-forth having a discussion? Just crop out that part you wanna address (if that's even necessary, which many times it isn't).
I don't know about others here, but I get sick of scrolling past the same article multiple times.  |
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ManintheMiddle
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bacasper:
Pilger is as Joo describes but from your vantage point I'm sure he comes across as just a regular Joe.
Speaking of Joes, the (insane) asylumseeker blathered:
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| Joe's right. How dare those scumbag journalists report civilian casualties. Dirty, unpatriotic, anti-Semite, liberal-biased media elites. Don't they know, those kids with their legs blown off are just terrorists-to-be anyway |
No one, including this OP, is implying, insinuating, or otherwise thinking along these lines. Try to focus on the question rather than your imagined caricature of posters who share my concerns. |
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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Wow, an article from a paper Ann Coulter would be proud of!!! From 2003!! Scraping the barrel as they say. |
I think the guy also did stuff for the BBC.
Anway he tells what Pilger and his ilk are about.
anyway here is more about that slime bag Pilger
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Pilger on the US and terrorism
Reporter:
TONY JONES: Now to the issue which has divided the political left and the Iraq anti-war movement.
Now that the die has been cast, the regime deposed and the coalition forces are occupying the country, how should they regard those who are still attacking the occupiers and targeting anyone they consider to be assisting the United States?
The veteran journalist John Pilger has no doubts.
He claims that, what he calls "the resistance" is "incredibly important" and that the world now "depends" on it to win.
"I think," he says, "if the US military machine" and the Bush administration can suffer something like a defeat "in Iraq, they can be stopped."
By which he means stopped from invading other countries.
Mr Pilger is in Australia at the moment speaking regularly at political rallies and at screenings of his film Breaking the Silence.
I spoke to him earlier this evening.
TONY JONES: John Pilger, do you still maintain that the world depends on what you call "the Iraqi resistance" to inflict a military defeat on the coalition forces?
JOHN PILGER: Well, certainly, historically, we've always depended on resistances to get rid of occupiers, to get rid of invaders.
And what we have in Iraq now is I suppose the equivalent of a kind of Vichy Government being set up.
And a resistance is always atrocious, it's always bloody.
It always involves terrorism.
You can imagine if Australia was occupied by the Japanese during the Second World War the kind of resistance there would have been, and so on.
We've seen that all over the world.
Now, I think the situation in Iraq is so dire that unless the United States is defeated there that we're likely to see an attack on Iran, we're likely to see an attack on North Korea and all the way down the road it could be even an attack on China within a decade, so I think what happens in Iraq now is incredibly important.
TONY JONES: You mean defeated militarily?
JOHN PILGER: Yes.
TONY JONES: What does that mean in terms of the resistance, and who is the resistance?
Are we talking about the remnants of the Baathist regime, or are we talking around foreign mujahadeen? Are we talking about anyone that's prepared to pick up a gun or set off a bomb?
JOHN PILGER: Why do we have a different standard of looking at what a resistance is in Iraq as it is anywhere else? |
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1063309.htm[/quote]
2004 getting better.
Just because he doesn't follow the US's line doesn't mean he is wrong.
He is just saying it as it is for the vast majority of people on this planet. |
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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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You're basically say that Pilger can't be trusted because he is inconstant with his criticism.
Unlike the US government.  |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
bacasper:
Pilger is as Joo describes but from your vantage point I'm sure he comes across as just a regular Joe.
Speaking of Joes, the (insane) asylumseeker blathered:
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| Joe's right. How dare those scumbag journalists report civilian casualties. Dirty, unpatriotic, anti-Semite, liberal-biased media elites. Don't they know, those kids with their legs blown off are just terrorists-to-be anyway |
No one, including this OP, is implying, insinuating, or otherwise thinking along these lines. Try to focus on the question rather than your imagined caricature of posters who share my concerns. |
Read your own OP you moron.
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The arrival of Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. Joe the Plumber, at the Israeli border town of Sderot on Sunday caused a minor sensation among the members of the foreign press who were camped out there. Wurzelbacher, who got his first 15 minutes of fame as a prop for John McCain during last year's U.S. election campaign, has swapped his plunger for a reporter's notebook on a mission to cover the Gaza war for the conservative website Pajamas TV. Unable to see much of the fighting himself, Wurzelbacher - who during the election campaign warned that a vote for Barack Obama was a vote for the destruction of Israel - picked a fight of his own. Turning on his new colleagues in the foreign press corps, he groused, "You should be ashamed of yourself. You should be patriotic, protect your family and children, not report like you have been doing for the past two weeks since this war has started." His complaint, it seemed, was that he was seeing too many reports of civilian casualties inside Gaza.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| chickenpie wrote: |
You're basically say that Pilger can't be trusted because he is inconstant with his criticism.
Unlike the US government. |
Pilger is a disinformation artist.
Yes unlike the US government.
the 2003 article still goes.
Pilgers' "friends".
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| Consider what happened on Aug. 14. Four jihadist suicide-bombers blew themselves up in two Iraqi villages, killing more than 500 Kurdish civilians � men, women and babies � who belonged to a tiny pre-Islamic sect known as the Yazidis. |
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.com/2007/08/tom-friedman-new-york-times-august.html |
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chickenpie
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John Richard Pilger (born 9 October 1939) is an Australian journalist and documentary maker. One of only two to win Britain's Journalist of the Year Award twice, his documentaries have received academy awards in Britain and the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger
 Journalist disagrees with US foreign policy so can't be taken seriously. Basically sums up what you're about.
As for friends, remember this.
http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
John Richard Pilger (born 9 October 1939) is an Australian journalist and documentary maker. One of only two to win Britain's Journalist of the Year Award twice, his documentaries have received academy awards in Britain and the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger
Journalist disagrees with US foreign policy so can't be taken seriously. Basically sums up what you're about.
As for friends, remember this.
http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg |
but he has become a disinformation artist and supporter of the Insurgents. |
One mans insurgent is anther's freedom fighter. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| chickenpie wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
John Richard Pilger (born 9 October 1939) is an Australian journalist and documentary maker. One of only two to win Britain's Journalist of the Year Award twice, his documentaries have received academy awards in Britain and the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger
Journalist disagrees with US foreign policy so can't be taken seriously. Basically sums up what you're about.
As for friends, remember this.
http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg |
but he has become a disinformation artist and supporter of the Insurgents. |
One mans insurgent is anther's freedom fighter. |
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| Consider what happened on Aug. 14. Four jihadist suicide-bombers blew themselves up in two Iraqi villages, killing more than 500 Kurdish civilians � men, women and babies � who belonged to a tiny pre-Islamic sect known as the Yazidis. |
Military target ? They were targeted and a suicide bomber was invested in cause they were of a different religion. |
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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
John Richard Pilger (born 9 October 1939) is an Australian journalist and documentary maker. One of only two to win Britain's Journalist of the Year Award twice, his documentaries have received academy awards in Britain and the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger
Journalist disagrees with US foreign policy so can't be taken seriously. Basically sums up what you're about.
As for friends, remember this.
http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg |
but he has become a disinformation artist and supporter of the Insurgents. |
One mans insurgent is anther's freedom fighter. |
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| Consider what happened on Aug. 14. Four jihadist suicide-bombers blew themselves up in two Iraqi villages, killing more than 500 Kurdish civilians � men, women and babies � who belonged to a tiny pre-Islamic sect known as the Yazidis. |
Military target ? They were targeted and a suicide bomber was invested in cause they were of a different religion. |
Just as bad as doping bombs on the population of Baghdad from 24000 feet.
How about torturing prisoners with dogs and killing them in custody.
Neither side comes out looking good.
You're just trying to sweep away the very real claims that Pilger made about Israeli's war crimes. Those claims still stand no matter how much spin you try to put on it. |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| chickenpie wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
John Richard Pilger (born 9 October 1939) is an Australian journalist and documentary maker. One of only two to win Britain's Journalist of the Year Award twice, his documentaries have received academy awards in Britain and the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger
Journalist disagrees with US foreign policy so can't be taken seriously. Basically sums up what you're about.
As for friends, remember this.
http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg |
but he has become a disinformation artist and supporter of the Insurgents. |
One mans insurgent is anther's freedom fighter. |
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| Consider what happened on Aug. 14. Four jihadist suicide-bombers blew themselves up in two Iraqi villages, killing more than 500 Kurdish civilians � men, women and babies � who belonged to a tiny pre-Islamic sect known as the Yazidis. |
Military target ? They were targeted and a suicide bomber was invested in cause they were of a different religion. |
Just as bad as doping bombs on the population of Baghdad from 24000 feet.
How about torturing prisoners with dogs and killing them in custody.
Neither side comes out looking good.
You're just trying to sweep away the very real claims that Pilger made about Israeli's war crimes. Those claims still stand no matter how much spin you try to put on it. |
Continue reading John Pilger and nothing else. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| chickenpie wrote: |
| You're just trying to sweep away the very real claims that Pilger made about Israeli's war crimes. Those claims still stand no matter how much spin you try to put on it. |
Chicken, meet Joo.
It is normal for him to attack anyone who makes claims Joo doesn't like or agree with.
You'll just have to learn to love him that way. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Just as bad as doping bombs on the population of Baghdad from 24000 feet. |
No cause stopping Saddam's war is a good thing. IF Saddam had his way he would have killed off the Kurds and re- invaded Kuwait. and probably more .
Lives saved cause of US actions count. Not in your book but they do count.
Stopping Al Qaedists , Khomeni followers or Al Qaedists saves lives.
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| How about torturing prisoners with dogs and killing them in custody. |
Even seen what Al Qaeda does.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html
No comparison.
Besides Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists fight for a sinister cause. No comparison.
To equate what they fight for and what the US is for is not only a distortion it is akin to apologizing for them.
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| Neither side comes out looking good. |
Again the Bathists , the Khomeni followers and the Al Qaedists fight for a sinister cause.
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| You're just trying to sweep away the very real claims that Pilger made about Israeli's war crimes. Those claims still stand no matter how much spin you try to put on it. |
Since it was writen by Pilger it is not very credible. He is a propagandist not a journalist.
In any case Israel probably behaves better than its enemies in war.
In the middle east Hama rules. *
Hama was a city in Syria and when it rebeled against Assad , Assad destroyed the city killing 20,000 in two weeks and when it was over a new city was built on top of it and it was as if nothing had ever happened.
See also Sudan
See Algeria
See Saddam mass killing of the kurds
Oh and Khomeni's fatwa killing 30,000 in 1988 alone.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/1321090/Khomeini-fatwa-'led-to-killing-of-30,000-in-Iran'.html
In fact there is little to show that Israel behaves worse than other nations during war time.
Pilger and his supporters can't show otherwise.
Pay attention to this part:
Actually I don't care that Pilger shows a bad light on Israel but his business is selective one sided criticism and distortion. And that is the truth.
You do know that THERE WOULD BE NO OCCUPATION OF GAZA OR 95% OF THE WEST BANK if Arafat had not refused Bill Clinton's peace plan. |
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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
| You're just trying to sweep away the very real claims that Pilger made about Israeli's war crimes. Those claims still stand no matter how much spin you try to put on it. |
Chicken, meet Joo.
It is normal for him to attack anyone who makes claims Joo doesn't like or agree with.
You'll just have to learn to love him that way. |
I kind of noticed that. Bit of a republican broken record isn't he. |
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