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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| If it is considered hate speech and not simply an analysis of the religion in an objective then, that's different. |
Please define this wooly notion of 'hate speech'. It seems an awfully vague term designed to criminalise any criticism an aggrieved minority does not like. For example, should someone be prosecuted for stating 'Socialism is Evil'? If not, why should they be prosecuted for making controversial, and yes even 'hateful' comments.
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| I find what he said to be despicable, but I am not sure he should be prosecuted for it. |
What exactly that he said do you consider to be dispicable?
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| Wilders released his film �Fitna� on the Internet in March 2008. The 15-minute movie features verses from the Koran alongside images of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. |
As well as plenty of examples of real instances of 'hate speech'. Images of imams in the Muslim world speaking of killing infidels, calling for the slaughter of Jews and the waging of Jihad on the whole world. And yet, to the useful idiots of the West the problem was not these hate filled 'Allah-hu Akbar' merchants, but the man who had made a film revealing such hate and the Koranic inspiration for it. |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I find what he said to be despicable, but I am not sure he should be prosecuted for it. |
What exactly that he said do you consider to be dispicable? |
I strongly encourage you to answer this question; the knee-jerk reaction to be offended by criticisms to a social group is respectable, if a little naive. Could you provide an analysis of what is so offensive and why?
I find his comments much less offensive than "all heterosexual sex is rape", "Jews did 9-11", "Obama's going to give jobs to blacks", or "the Holocaust is a lie". But I'll be damned if I ever tolerate a society that makes these statements illegal. |
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mises
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it .
Sooo, Islam is full of dirty wooly pork eating monkey butts.
There I said it, my contribution to hate speech.
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Jesus Adventurer. Where the hell have you been? |
Apparently busy drinking the Kool-aid. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it .
Sooo, Islam is full of dirty wooly pork eating monkey butts.
There I said it, my contribution to hate speech.
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Wes |
Devout Muslims, so I hear, do not eat pork. You should either retract that portion of your post or be imprisoned. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Hypothetically, in Holland, should elections be held today, Geert Wilders would be NL's next premier. 
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New opinion polling now puts Mr Wilders ahead of the Christian Democrats, who lead a coalition government.
"How happy I am about this. These are of course just polls, but it is an enormous sign of confidence from the Dutch voter," said Mr Wilders.
"As far as I am concerned, elections can be held tomorrow, then I will be the next premier". |
Telegraph
Last edited by Pluto on Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| You could convert to islam and get a tan. Lefty multiculty shakedowns wouldn't touch you with a thousand food pole, then. |
How is this "left multiculty?" This is clearly fascistic right-wing suppression of speech, the wedge in the door to go after just about anyone for just about anything. |
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CyberGuy
Joined: 27 Dec 2007
Location: Daejeon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it .
Sooo, Islam is full of dirty wooly pork eating monkey butts.
There I said it, my contribution to hate speech.
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Wes |
Oh, so if somebody is eating shit then you'll start to eat shit too, why? just for the sake of eating shit.
Yeah, just replace the word "shit" with "hate speech" and that traces back to what you believe. Here, let me help ya:
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I may not agree with what you do sir, but I will defend to the death your right to do it .
There I did it, my contribution to eating shit.
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Wes |
Right, for the time being you don't have one cent of knowledge about Islam. Now before you defecate more of hate speech, could you explain to me what is Islam about? and could you give proper references to some Islamic websites which back your definition of Islam?
CG
P.S. Right of free speech does not justify a person's crappy talk in a silent classroom. Hence, noise makers must shut up than being free-speech masturbators. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| You could convert to islam and get a tan. Lefty multiculty shakedowns wouldn't touch you with a thousand food pole, then. |
How is this "left multiculty?" This is clearly fascistic right-wing suppression of speech, the wedge in the door to go after just about anyone for just about anything. |
You're half right. This is the mainstream left facilitating the takeover of European political economy by foaming mad muslim obedients. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Hypothetically, in Holland, should opinion polls be held today, Geert Wilders would be NL's next premier.
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New opinion polling now puts Mr Wilders ahead of the Christian Democrats, who lead a coalition government.
"How happy I am about this. These are of course just polls, but it is an enormous sign of confidence from the Dutch voter," said Mr Wilders.
"As far as I am concerned, elections can be held tomorrow, then I will be the next premier". |
Telegraph |
I sincerely hope he wins. The times, they are changing. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| The general economic climate will speed up these social changes (I guess that's a no-brainer). |
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Axl Rose
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Fitna merely shows a direct connection between Muslim scripture and Muslim violence. The fact that it's only a small minority of Muslims who engage in violence might well have been discussed for the sake of balance. After all, even in Islamic theocracies as austere as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the vast majority claim to disapprove of attacks on American civilians. But, really, all those who engage in violence are really doing is following, word for word, what the Koran tells of the Muslim to do - and that was Fitna's quite justified point.
The only thing despicable about it is the amount of Muslim violence and threats of violence it generates (thereby proving the point of the movie).
The Danish cartoons were similar. The cartoonist's point was that Islam is directly responsible for violence. The reaction to the cartoons was memorable for being rather violent.
And see also Theo Van Gogh. He, too, made a movie about Muslim violence. He was murdered in November 2004.
Surely the single most crucial aspect is that some Muslims react violently to the charge that Islam is violent? |
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CyberGuy
Joined: 27 Dec 2007
Location: Daejeon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Fitna merely shows a direct connection between Muslim scripture and Muslim violence. The fact that it's only a small minority of Muslims who engage in violence might well have been discussed for the sake of balance. After all, even in Islamic theocracies as austere as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the vast majority claim to disapprove of attacks on American civilians. But, really, all those who engage in violence are really doing is following, word for word, what the Koran tells of the Muslim to do - and that was Fitna's quite justified point.
The only thing despicable about it is the amount of Muslim violence and threats of violence it generates (thereby proving the point of the movie).
The Danish cartoons were similar. The cartoonist's point was that Islam is directly responsible for violence. The reaction to the cartoons was memorable for being rather violent.
And see also Theo Van Gogh. He, too, made a movie about Muslim violence. He was murdered in November 2004.
Surely the single most crucial aspect is that some Muslims react violently to the charge that Islam is violent? |
Related to the discussion, following is a very good video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6Mdu8idic
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| all those who engage in violence are really doing is following, word for word, what the Koran tells of the Muslim to do - and that was Fitna's quite justified point. |
I see Muslims believe in a book which tells them if they are in war then they should fight the enemy and kill'em.
I wonder if you believe in some book which tells you to kiss the feet of enemies while you are in war with them? What if America is under invasion and commander of American army in war tells his soldiers to kill the enemy wherever they find? An idiot will believe that to be unjustified. You surely would be an idiot and a traitor in not fighting against enemy but supporting the enemy.
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| Surely the single most crucial aspect is that some Muslims react violently to the charge that Islam is violent? |
I say go to a group of black men standing somewhere and call them N****as, and when they beat the crap out of you then start yelling VIOLENCE, VIOLENCE.... |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| I see Muslims believe in a book which tells them if they are in war then they should fight the enemy and kill'em. |
No, it tells them to engage in Jihad until the whole world submits to the will of Allah. Sure, it justifies 'defensive' Jihad. Unfortunately, it also justifies offensive Jihad, something which Muhammed himself engaged in.
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| I say go to a group of black men standing somewhere and call them N****as, and when they beat the crap out of you then start yelling VIOLENCE, VIOLENCE.... |
You think criticising a violent ideology and then having this proven by the ensuing violence committed by that ideology's adherents is the same as being met with violence by a group of people who have been racially abused for no reason? |
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