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Hanson
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 Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
"Best pound-for-pound fighter" is a carryover term from boxing, and basically means who is the best fighter for their size.
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I always thought it meant that if you equalized all fighters by weight - clearly an unrealistic condition - the "best pound-for-pound fighter" would be the one who would beat everyone else.
Kinda like when you put a bunch of fractions on a common denominator in math... |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| SMKOREA wrote: |
I believe Fedor is head and shoulders above anyone else is the sport, and has been for years.
So I guess he is the best pound for pound fighter? Is there a definition of the term somewhere? |
What Hanson said. I think Rteacher may be saying the same thing but it could get lost in semantics. So, if GSP were able to size-up to Fedor's weight class, who do you think would win? This is a hypothetical of course, but it assumes that if GSP could gain in size (weight) to be in Fedor's weight class and maintain the skills he has now, could he defeat Fedor? Or vice versa, if Fedor were sized down to GSP's weight class. Of course I'd bet on Fedor if they fought, but this is only a hypothetical comparison because if GSP actually became a heavyweight he obviously wouldn't be the fighter he is now.
So in this respect, Rteacher's comment : 'who is the best fighter for their size', could be considered correct given that it is impossible to attain this hypothetical. Dealing in reality, is GSP better in his weight class than Fedor is in his weight class (totally ignoring a match-up between the two)?
Maybe if you think about comparisons people make with current athletes and former athletes. Of course the old guys/gals can't come back and perform like they used to (especially if they're dead..l  ), but what if they were born around the same time? How would they compare? One is a hypothetical on time, the other on weight.
Within most weight classes, there is not too much of a weight difference so pound-for-pound is ignored. However, the heavyweight division has the largest disparity in weight. Even so, they usually refer to the size difference without using pound-for-pound. Example, comparing Lesnar to Mir.
Your earlier comment about cutting weight: this is acknowledged by the commentators but again in the same weight class, there is no mention of pound-for-pound because it's simply working within the rules. Each fighter has the opportunity to 'work' the system, even though many do not have the ability to do this. Tito Ortiz is a good example of a fighter who cuts weight and outweighs his opponents on fight day. He's usually successful (ie doesn't lose endurance/stamina) but other fighters try it and fail. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, unrealistic to compare them in the ring, but geeks can extrapolate and do computer simulations/cyberfights, etc...
Handicapping is done in various ways in different sports (eg: horses with best records are given more weight to carry, golfers are handicapped according to their average per-round score above par ...)
In some recent martial arts movie, a guy had to fight his less talented opponent with one hand tied behind his back ...
GSP probably wouldn't beat Lesnor - or Fedor - unless they had both hands tied behind their back ... |
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skconqueror
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| So what does everyone say about the complaint of GSP's corner "greasing" |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| skconqueror wrote: |
| So what does everyone say about the complaint of GSP's corner "greasing" |
GSP can "grease" me all he wants.  |
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Chet Wautlands
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's ridiculous. I hope there's no truth to it at all. |
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victorology
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems most everyone agrees it did happen. The one question is, how much of an effect did it have on the fight? I think GSP would have won regardless but it does put a taint on things. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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I don't think Penn will be asking for a rematch anytime soon. In the post fight interview Penn said he was thinking about leaving the UFC if he beat GSP. I wonder what his plans will be now.
The thing I'm most curious about is the future of Affliction. I've heard their next show will be their last and then they will stick to making t-shirts. Some lucky organization will have the chance to pick up some of the bast MMA fighters around and I doubt many of them will end up in the UFC. |
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Chet Wautlands
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BJ said on his Facebook that he'll be fighting Kenflo in the summer. Could be a good fight.
Affliction has never interested me too much. Fedor, Arlovski, Babalu, and a few others are good to watch, but on the whole I find it's not well done. |
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billyg
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| penn vs kenflo will be great... kenflo has improved tremendously over his last 4-5 fights... he will give bj a run for his money, no doubt... |
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