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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't know of many hogwons where the foreign teachers hitting would be OK. It certainly wouldn't be at mine, and I certainly doubt it would be at the OP's school since he's not even allowed to kick kids out of class.
If I followed itaewon guy or Mr. Pink's suggestions I would have been fired for sure.
It's just as well, I have no desire to hurt children. Well, not usually, anyway.
When the usual making them write lines or sit in the corner doesn't work, I'm a firm believer in what I call "making my physical presence known." I put my hand on his shoulder, look them in the eye and say, "we don't do that here." I'm a pretty big guy, so that usually gets their attention. |
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Blue Flower
Joined: 23 Feb 2003
Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| I have just started making them hug each other if they're hitting each other. For some reason, in my classes its the boys hitting the girls, or vice versa, that are the real problems. So now, I catch them hitting once, thats their grace period, next time, they're giving each other some physical loving. Trust me, they;re far to scared to even touch a member of the opposite sex, let along hug them. |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:06 am Post subject: Re: HOW DO I STOP THEM FROM HITTING EACH OTHER... ARGH |
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| Newfoundlander wrote: |
MY kids keep hitting each other, in particular this one kids keeps kicking the girls in my class.
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It's easy to solve this problem. Gather all the teachers around start placing the bets. Then, let the little boys slug it out! |
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Toby
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Get them to stand up against the wall holding a piece of paper with their nose against the wall so that it doesn't slip.
Humiliation works well.
Threaten them with going to the 'baby' class.
Put them, standing, in the corner of a different classroom, preferably with a different age group. Embarass them. Then, when they have finished crying about it, you can just threaten them if they do it again. "You want to go to a different classroom?"...... It works.
Never, never, never hit them. That verges on child abuse. Infact, that is child abuse. There are so many different ways to discipline children, but hitting them is not the answer. NEVER. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Never, never, never hit them. That verges on child abuse. Infact, that is child abuse. There are so many different ways to discipline children, but hitting them is not the answer. NEVER. |
Too many anti corporal punishment posters.
if you spank your child is that abuse? abuse is when you go BEYOND what a normal amount would be.
It's like saying you should never drink. If you have a beer, that is alcohol abuse.
Sounds stupid huh?
Exactly.
I don't think anyone who agrees with hitting kids is thinking of beating the crap outta them. Maybe just a whack on the arse with a ruler or your hand. Something that gets their attention and makes them understand you are serious. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| I'd only use my hand on a rear... never any object. Or maybe a quick smack across the hand if the little bugger is trying to take a cookie when I told him no. |
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Blue Flower
Joined: 23 Feb 2003
Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Toby wrote: |
Never, never, never hit them. That verges on child abuse. Infact, that is child abuse. There are so many different ways to discipline children, but hitting them is not the answer. NEVER. |
Too many anti corporal punishment posters.
if you spank your child is that abuse? abuse is when you go BEYOND what a normal amount would be.
It's like saying you should never drink. If you have a beer, that is alcohol abuse.
Sounds stupid huh?
Exactly.
I don't think anyone who agrees with hitting kids is thinking of beating the crap outta them. Maybe just a whack on the arse with a ruler or your hand. Something that gets their attention and makes them understand you are serious. |
I think the question needs to be asked - when do you hit them? Are you in a calm state of mind, totally relaxed, and feeling in complete control?
Or do you hit them when you are aggravated, feeling powerless, angry, irritated, scared?
Which is it? Your answer would denote whether it would be considered abuse or not. If you are hitting a kid because you are angry, that is abuse, becuase the main goal, subconsciously, is to alleviate your feelings, under the guise of discipline.
I will never physically discipline my children. I just don't think it's the answer. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| If the kid does something wrong, he gets a smack on the rear when he does it... and then he gets the manual labor punishment the weekend after. My kids are gonna get a double whammy on the punishment. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Blue Flower wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Toby wrote: |
Never, never, never hit them. That verges on child abuse. Infact, that is child abuse. There are so many different ways to discipline children, but hitting them is not the answer. NEVER. |
Too many anti corporal punishment posters.
if you spank your child is that abuse? abuse is when you go BEYOND what a normal amount would be.
It's like saying you should never drink. If you have a beer, that is alcohol abuse.
Sounds stupid huh?
Exactly.
I don't think anyone who agrees with hitting kids is thinking of beating the crap outta them. Maybe just a whack on the arse with a ruler or your hand. Something that gets their attention and makes them understand you are serious. |
I think the question needs to be asked - when do you hit them? Are you in a calm state of mind, totally relaxed, and feeling in complete control?
Or do you hit them when you are aggravated, feeling powerless, angry, irritated, scared?
Which is it? Your answer would denote whether it would be considered abuse or not. If you are hitting a kid because you are angry, that is abuse, becuase the main goal, subconsciously, is to alleviate your feelings, under the guise of discipline.
I will never physically discipline my children. I just don't think it's the answer. |
The times I have hit a student wasn't because I was angry, but because I wanted to teach the kid what they were doing was wrong.
I am a VERY big guy. Think about it, if I EVER let myself hit someone when I am angry, especially children, they are going to the hospital. I am very strong and even playing around with my own friends have been told I don't know my own strength. Having this condition, I have never hit anyone when angry. I find a "cool off" period is better for both students and teacher. I am big enough to pick up just about any student and put them outside the classroom, and I have done that on a number of occassions. Most of the time I talked with the kid after class and made them understand. If the kid was too young, my korean partner and I would talk together.
I just assumed most people would know they are BIGGER than children and the fact they are helpless if you wanted to beat them. Knowing that should let you put your anger aside or remove the kid from the class until you calm down.
Chances are I will at some point spank my own child. But when the child is your own, they know you and you can reason with them. When you have a room full of kids that aren't disciplined at home, and you need to remain in control, well hitting is an option that should be open, if YOU can trust yourself with that type of responsibility.
I think I am done on this subject. Between this post and the one on corporal punishment, I am tired to trying to show it isn't barbaric or outdated. When used right it can be effective. The key word being USED RIGHT. |
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Blue Flower
Joined: 23 Feb 2003
Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| ....you have a room full of kids that aren't disciplined at home, and you need to remain in control.... |
Trust me, a lot of them are disciplined. Today we did what makes you feel - happy, etc, The most common answer for "angry", or "nervous" was their parents hitting them, or their parents coming home. |
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