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NAVFC
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| However, I am concerned that the GOPs gloom and doom attitude, their constant onbstructionism and this atmosphere they have created in the business world, that Obama is the end of us all, is adding undue and artificual speculation to the markets which I think may be contributing to the negative effects weve seen in the last couple weeks |
I doubt it. Obama could walk out tomorrow and feed the entire White House press corp with just five loaves and two fish and that wouldn't unfreeze the credit markets or plug up the holes in everyone's balance sheets. Stocks are going down because investors are reacting rationally to a tanking economy, and that has nothing to do with whatever they personally think of the president. |
Umm when did I say they did? If you bothered to read what I said, what I said was that the GOP gloom and doom view of our economy could be causing undue speculation. I never said it had anything to do with the opinion of Obama himself. The fact is the GOP has tried to, and has been swing this image of a economy in peril beyond recovery.
Think of them as the panicky people admist a natural disaster who by their panicking, cause others to fear and begin to panic themselves.
The doom and gloom atmopshere is being sewn up in response to their opinion of Obama, but that opinion in and of itself isnt what I mentioned. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: |
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He has got the track record for exactly this problem, Mises. But the Clinton administration virtually invited him into power the first time via gays-in-the-military, aggressive gun control, and other divisive policies. While administration officials such as E. Holder are not helping matters, B. Obama himself seems to be keeping them in check -- not to mention his partially inoculating his administration with a healthy dose of Republican appointees.
But I guess we shall have to wait for 2010. See what happens... |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| So, why am I supposed to hate him? I spent a short time on his website last night and he didn't seem as unreasonable as my unreasonable lefty friends suggest. Gays in the military was his big thing? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Hate him? Who said that? The liberal-heavy media and its slant? Your and my dogmatic and intolerant lefty friends? The left hates him, certainly. Not me, however.
B. Clinton's early politics, between 1993 and 1994, were too aggressive and radical, and they had the effect of rallying conservatives, and pushing conservative Democrats to support a sweeping Republican victory in 1994. He learned from that and went towards the center. B. Obama seems to have started in the center on most issues. So my prediction is that this has deprived the U.S.S. Newt of any useful wind...
Still, a lot can happen between now and 2010. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Rush Limbaugh, not too pleased with Gingrich, just fired back today at him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/08/gingrich-takes-on-rush-ho_n_172852.html
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"I'm frankly getting tired of talking about Newt. I mean, it's a pointless exercise," Limbaugh said of Gingrich's dismissal of him on Meet the Press. "I'm surprised by nothing when I'm dealing with people in the media who think they're in politics.... They are fly-by-night operators, and most of them stand for nothing until they see a poll about what the American people want, and then they go out and try to say one way or another what the American people want while trying to falsely hold onto an ideology at the same time -- and you can't count on them. You can't depend on them. They will sell you out; they will throw you overboard to save themselves, faster than anything. And they'll use you on their way up as often as they can at the same time."
"I mean, next week Newt could come out and profess his total admiration and love for me if it would serve his purposes," he continued. "They're running TV ads against me. Newt Gingrich wishes they were running TV ads against him." |
Newt's playing with fire here. He may want to be President but he's not gonna get out of the primaries without the support of enough 'dittoheads' (Rush fans) to overcome challenges from the far right. Without the loonies no Repub can win a primary let alone a general. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Rush Limbaugh:
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Ok. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| So, why am I supposed to hate him? I spent a short time on his website last night and he didn't seem as unreasonable as my unreasonable lefty friends suggest. Gays in the military was his big thing? |
Not at all.
Clinton merely tried to let gays serve in the military unconditionally. It was within the power of the office, but the military chaffed to have a former draft dodger draft this edict on them. Clinton didn't want a mass resignation so he compromised.
Meanwhile the GOP (Gingrich, Dole et al) used this as a backdrop to wage culture war, and insisted that this was one of Clinton's major priorities. Obviously, it wasn't, or he would have fought hard for it.
After the GOP succeeded in pushing over Clinton's gambit for health care reform as well, they got cocky and tried to square off with him about the budget. Clinton called their bluff and shut down Washington. Clinton cared about crucial issues affecting the entire nation, such as the national budget and the economy, and always had. |
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