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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Insidejohnmalkovich wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life |
Only as long as he's locked up. If they ever deem his schizophrenia is manageable with meds, they'll let him go. Then he'll go off the meds (because you can't force him to take them) and kill someone else. |
<nods> That happens frequently. The only way to prevent a recurrence and to see justice done is execution. |
The parents of the victim obviously know better than to expect capital punishment. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:28 am Post subject: |
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What is amazing is ..........
1. The guy already had a knife.
2. God told him to "kill him" because he was "evil".
3. So, this guy...who already went out and acquired a knife
BEFORE he got on the bus, then proceed to stab and eat the victim.....
is declared insane?
Phuck that.
The fact that he already had a knife has a hint of pre-meditation.
The guy played the system (after all...............is the legal system suggesting that those who listen to or believe in God are mentally ill? Yeah, that was a bit much..............my bad).
I feel terrible for this guys family. Justice was not served.
Imagine if the tables were reversed?
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espoir
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
Horrible for the family? He's going where he belongs and he got what he deserved. |
Well obviously the family doesn't think this is justice and so I feel bad that they have to continue to suffer, even though I do agree with the decision of the judge.
it's called empathy racetraitor, you should try it some time. |
So would they be happier if he was sentenced to a life in prison rather than a mental institution? Doesn't really seem like there's much difference. |
your completely missing the point. its not a question of what we think at all, its a matter of what the victims family thinks. They believe he should spend life in jail instead. that is their perspective. I dont agree with it, but I have EMPATHY for their situation. It may not be much of a difference to you or me in all reality, but then again it wasnt a member of our family that was senselessly murder, carved up, butchered, decapitated and all around mutilated, now was it. So again try for some empathy for the situation of the family, you dont have to agree with their wishes, but you should be able to respect them or at least understand their perspective.
I feel sorry for you if you can't understand this basic human trait. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Justice wasn't served? I was under the impression that it's not justice to punish someone for something for which they are not responsible.
The defendant in this case was determined, by law, to be legally insane (which in itself is quite a different thing than what many of the general public consider to be insanity). Thus he was found innocent and the court ordered him to be placed in a secure institution and observed and treated until such time, if ever, that he is found to not constitute a danger to others. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| dmbfan wrote: |
The fact that he already had a knife has a hint of pre-meditation.
The guy played the system (after all...............is the legal system suggesting that those who listen to or believe in God are mentally ill? Yeah, that was a bit much..............my bad).
I feel terrible for this guys family. Justice was not served.
Imagine if the tables were reversed?
dmbfan |
No apology needed.
Great deduction without being in anyone's face.
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
Horrible for the family? He's going where he belongs and he got what he deserved. |
Well obviously the family doesn't think this is justice and so I feel bad that they have to continue to suffer, even though I do agree with the decision of the judge.
it's called empathy racetraitor, you should try it some time. |
So would they be happier if he was sentenced to a life in prison rather than a mental institution? Doesn't really seem like there's much difference. |
your completely missing the point. its not a question of what we think at all, its a matter of what the victims family thinks. They believe he should spend life in jail instead. that is their perspective. I dont agree with it, but I have EMPATHY for their situation. It may not be much of a difference to you or me in all reality, but then again it wasnt a member of our family that was senselessly murder, carved up, butchered, decapitated and all around mutilated, now was it. So again try for some empathy for the situation of the family, you dont have to agree with their wishes, but you should be able to respect them or at least understand their perspective.
I feel sorry for you if you can't understand this basic human trait. |
The way justice works, you're not supposed to let the victims decide the punishment. It's about as barbaric as capital punishment. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
Horrible for the family? He's going where he belongs and he got what he deserved. |
Well obviously the family doesn't think this is justice and so I feel bad that they have to continue to suffer, even though I do agree with the decision of the judge.
it's called empathy racetraitor, you should try it some time. |
So would they be happier if he was sentenced to a life in prison rather than a mental institution? Doesn't really seem like there's much difference. |
your completely missing the point. its not a question of what we think at all, its a matter of what the victims family thinks. They believe he should spend life in jail instead. that is their perspective. I dont agree with it, but I have EMPATHY for their situation. It may not be much of a difference to you or me in all reality, but then again it wasnt a member of our family that was senselessly murder, carved up, butchered, decapitated and all around mutilated, now was it. So again try for some empathy for the situation of the family, you dont have to agree with their wishes, but you should be able to respect them or at least understand their perspective.
I feel sorry for you if you can't understand this basic human trait. |
The way justice works, you're not supposed to let the victims decide the punishment. It's about as barbaric as capital punishment. |
But should they not have a say in it? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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In many places, the victimes do have input into the procedure. It's called a victim impact statement. Now, that is something used to determine the severity of punishment to be meted out to someone found responsible by a court for his crime. The defendant in the case under discussion was determined by a court of law to not be responsible for the act.
But then we already know how you feel about actual law.
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toonchoon
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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DEATH PENALTY?
hot damn liberal canada is gonna waste taxpayer's money to house and medicate and take care of this lunatic.
seriously, mental retard or not, this guy cut up another human being like it was a steak. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| toonchoon wrote: |
| another human being like it was a steak. |
"It"?
By the way, life imprisonment is far cheaper than capital punishment. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Justice wasn't served? I was under the impression that it's not justice to punish someone for something for which they are not responsible.
The defendant in this case was determined, by law, to be legally insane (which in itself is quite a different thing than what many of the general public consider to be insanity). Thus he was found innocent and the court ordered him to be placed in a secure institution and observed and treated until [mod edit]. |
...this kind of person should never experience an unobserved or unrestrained moment for the rest of his natural life. |
First, a suggestion: Don't change a poster's words within the quote tags.
Next, if the man, who was not responsible for his action due to an illness, is cured of that illness, why then should he remain within an institution after he no longer poses a danger? Is it because you would rather ignore basic principles of law and cater to a base urge for vengeance, said vengeance to be enacted on an innocent (someone not responsible for an act)? How...civilized of you! |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Well at least in Canada they won't persecute all Chinese, or Chinese-looking people, for this. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
Horrible for the family? He's going where he belongs and he got what he deserved. |
Well obviously the family doesn't think this is justice and so I feel bad that they have to continue to suffer, even though I do agree with the decision of the judge.
it's called empathy racetraitor, you should try it some time. |
So would they be happier if he was sentenced to a life in prison rather than a mental institution? Doesn't really seem like there's much difference. |
your completely missing the point. its not a question of what we think at all, its a matter of what the victims family thinks. They believe he should spend life in jail instead. that is their perspective. I dont agree with it, but I have EMPATHY for their situation. It may not be much of a difference to you or me in all reality, but then again it wasnt a member of our family that was senselessly murder, carved up, butchered, decapitated and all around mutilated, now was it. So again try for some empathy for the situation of the family, you dont have to agree with their wishes, but you should be able to respect them or at least understand their perspective.
I feel sorry for you if you can't understand this basic human trait. |
The way justice works, you're not supposed to let the victims decide the punishment. It's about as barbaric as capital punishment. |
But should they not have a say in it? |
They should be able to give their opinion in court, but that's about it. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
In many places, the victimes do have input into the procedure. It's called a victim impact statement. Now, that is something used to determine the severity of punishment to be meted out to someone found responsible by a court for his crime. The defendant in the case under discussion was determined by a court of law to not be responsible for the act.
But then we already know how you feel about actual law. |
Excuse me? |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Justice wasn't served? I was under the impression that it's not justice to punish someone for something for which they are not responsible.
The defendant in this case was determined, by law, to be legally insane (which in itself is quite a different thing than what many of the general public consider to be insanity). Thus he was found innocent and the court ordered him to be placed in a secure institution and observed and treated until [mod edit]. |
...this kind of person should never experience an unobserved or unrestrained moment for the rest of his natural life. |
First, a suggestion: Don't change a poster's words within the quote tags.
Next, if the man, who was not responsible for his action due to an illness, is cured of that illness, why then should he remain within an institution after he no longer poses a danger? Is it because you would rather ignore basic principles of law and cater to a base urge for vengeance, said vengeance to be enacted on an innocent (someone not responsible for an act)? How...civilized of you! |
That's a big if. Your response is not logical. Clearly, the poster does not believe that the man can be 'cured'. So argue this point instead of playing holier/more sophisticated than thou and putting words in others mouths like a pompous a$$.
There is no 'cure' for paranoid schizophrenia! It's all about taking the meds. On another point, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity and not 'found innocent' as you've stated. You can't unspill milk, now can you?
OP, where in the article does it SAY or SUGGEST Canadians are "upset/shocked" about the verdict? It merely gives the family's response, does it not? |
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