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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Fox wrote
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ontheway wrote:
Social security has caused massive poverty. It has prevented the creation of at least 500 million good jobs around the world and threatens the bankruptcy of the US government and collapse of the financial system.
Show the math. Remember to subtract from that 500 million figure any jobs within the government to currently support to the bureaucracy involved in social security when you do it. |
Your response didn't make a lot of sense, but this is particularly nonsensical. You are saying that, because the govt "created" a million or so jobs through bureacracy, that this in some way offsets the jobs it undoubtly destroyed?
I'm not going to get into how many jobs govt regs have prevented from being created, as there is really no way of measuring it, but to say that the creation of phony jobs through govt schemes, especially redistributionist ones like welfare, some how offsets the real jobs that were destroyed, is absurd at best and abhorrent at least. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Your response didn't make a lot of sense... |
I'm happy to discuss anything else in my post that you had a hard time understanding, such that it didn't make sense to you. Given that is evidently most of my post, I'm sure you'll have many more questions. Having a hard time grasping the words of others isn't a crime.
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| ... but this is particularly nonsensical. You are saying that, because the govt "created" a million or so jobs through bureacracy, that this in some way offsets the jobs it undoubtly destroyed? |
In that segment of text I was saying nothing except that proper math would include those jobs, and asked him to remember it when providing said math. I wouldn't want him to invalidate his math by pretending government jobs "don't count as jobs."
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| I'm not going to get into how many jobs govt regs have prevented from being created as there is really no way of measuring it, but to say that the creation of phony jobs through govt schemes, especially redistributionist ones like welfare, some how offsets the real jobs that were destroyed, is absurd at best and abhorrent at least. |
... and there you go pretending those jobs don't count as jobs, what a shame.
What is a "phony job" exactly, such that it creates a real service to other humans and draws a real salary, but is still somehow not real? Maybe you don't understand what the term "phony" means?
I'll take your assertion that ontheway's 500 million job figure is probably simply a made up figure instead of something arrived at through some sort of valid math as noted. |
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lithium

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: How Freedom Was Lost |
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By looking at the address, you know it's a liberal leaning article. Why bother reading it? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| [ Let's play a game then, I'll start, you finish: it's wrong of the government to enforce regulation that prevents companies from dumping toxic waste in local water supplies because... |
Because people who drink this might mutate and develop powers that stop shadowy military organizations from taking over the free world? |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 4:35 am Post subject: |
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"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" - Kris Kristofferson - "Me and Bobby McGee" ...
I also like Mae West's character's definition in Klondike Annie "Freedom's just another word for one more way to get fucked."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Freedom
The real owner(s) of all property and resources is neither the "State" nor any private individual.
God - the Supreme Person from Whom everything and everyone has emanated - is the real proprietor, and as descendants of God we all have a right to live off the land according to our need.
There are different classes of people by nature in terms of different combinations of goodness, passion, and ignorance, and the business class (conducted by mixed modes of passion and ignorance) needs to be controlled by a more passionate, less ignorant administrative class, which in turn is guided by an intellectual class that is more predominantly in the mode of goodness.
In the Vedic social model, the general labor class would assist the three higher classes, and all their needs were provided for.
A socialist/communist system is best for the laborer class, a capitalist system is best for the business class, monarchy is best for the administrative/military class and anarchism is best for the intellectual class.
Of course, in modern times the natural social divisions are more blurred (due largely to unscientific mating) but in every society you can still find these different classes of people.
Pragmatic government needs to combine capitalism with social welfare programs to keep the social body functioning cooperatively, and the "head" of society (real intellectuals) need to provide enlightened counsel to leaders to keep society progressing spiritually as well as materially.
Here's a more detailed discussion of the original Vedic social system (before it became corrupted into the "caste system") and its potential adaptability to modern cultures.
http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/iskcon-internal/389904-what-do-we-mean-varnasrama-5-models-social-development.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| So far, I think I'm most impressed with the posts implying it's OK to kill people for profit as long as it's corporate profit. God forbid that anyone be held responsible for their actions or that criminal negligence be actually punished. If a foreign power had been responsible for the number of deaths at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory, the responses on this thread would have been quite different, I dare say. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| So far, I think I'm most impressed with the posts implying it's OK to kill people for profit as long as it's corporate profit. God forbid that anyone be held responsible for their actions or that criminal negligence be actually punished. If a foreign power had been responsible for the number of deaths at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory, the responses on this thread would have been quite different, I dare say. |
You should have voted for Ralph Nader. He's the best on enforcing corporate responsibility and good corporate citizenship. |
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