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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
Formatting doesn't neccessariyl wipe away a virus... a trojan is still gonna sit there and eat away at your system resources.

You need to do a little more work to have a well run system than just a reformat.


Zuh?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trojans and virii (or viruses for the intellectually challenged ... Wink d'oh) can be of a type that reside in memory, in the boot sector -- code that you normally never touch that tells the computer how to boot the hard drive, CMOS virus exist as well - the boot code of the computer itself -- the stuff that does the clock of the system, exists without a hard drive, etc ... the part that tells the computer how to talk to the hardware attached ....

A virus can exist in these other areas that do not depend on the operating system to be there and can thus be there after you erase and reinstall.

So sometimes it can be a bit trickier ......
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can downlaod a program called "Refresh Registry" or something like that from CNET downloads. I tried it out over the weekend and it seemed pretty good. It not only cleans out registry junk and fixes registry errors but also cleans your IE cache and cookies for privacy and also hunts for spyware and trojans. Not too shabby at all.
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ed



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a related question:

my 20 gig harddrive says 19540 mb available.

is there any way to get the entire 20 gigs cleaned and usable?
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed wrote:
a related question:

my 20 gig harddrive says 19540 mb available.

is there any way to get the entire 20 gigs cleaned and usable?


Nope.

Most drives are a little less than the advertised gigs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No

It's all a scam of how they calculate the contents of drives.

In fact there is a class action suit in the works in the US because of it.

The issue is that One byte = 8 bits

1,000,000 Megabytes -- 1 Meg is not 1,000,000 bits because the the non-10 based core unit

So when you start calculating you wind up less than the "advertised" content

The larger the drive, the more you "lose." For example, a 200 GB hard drive you actually lose nearly 30 Gigs of so-called usable space

In a practical sense though, you really do have the content advertised, it's just how it's displayed and calculated and so forth

That help ?
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ed



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes it does...

thanks lonely

by the way, the virii and trojans in your post above;

is there some way of getting rid of them?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the great majority yes, they can be removed by one method or another

It depends on the specific infection

Some require major destruction of data to clean systems, but that's uncommon and nearly rare for someone running an antivirus software with updated virus definitions

So the quick answer is that yes, they can generally be gotten rid of, it depends on what it is that determines the methods to "cure"
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lonelyontherok wrote:
No

It's all a scam of how they calculate the contents of drives.

In fact there is a class action suit in the works in the US because of it.

The issue is that One byte = 8 bits

1,000,000 Megabytes -- 1 Meg is not 1,000,000 bits because the the non-10 based core unit

So when you start calculating you wind up less than the "advertised" content

The larger the drive, the more you "lose." For example, a 200 GB hard drive you actually lose nearly 30 Gigs of so-called usable space


You're half right. There is a lawsuit, but not for the reasons you cited.

8 bits is a byte. 1024 bytes is a kilobyte, but kilo non the non-computer world means 1000. A megabyte is 1,048,576 bytes, but mega in the non-computer world means 1,000,000. A gigabyte is 1,073,741,824 bytes but a giga is 1,000,000,000 in the non-computer world.

Hard drive sellers are marketing the actual amount instead of the traditional computer meaning. My 160 gigabyte drives reports as being 149 gigabytes. Multiply the original number earlier by 149 and you get 159,987,531,776 bytes.

A 200 gigabyte drive will actually come in at around 186 gigabytes, not 170 as you suggest.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, okay, but you do realize there are 2 class actions going on .... one as you mention and the one I mention

And yes, your numbers are correct, I simply took a quick guess in my head as I typed, I didn't bother doing the math

The point is the same

Thanks anyhow
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