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bacasper

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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| David Icke, really? When was this produced? His claim that we, the entire World, will be living under a regime analogous to Nazi Germany in a matter of 5 to 10 years is a bit far fetched, don't you think? |
How do you know that is him? You know his voice that well? I've never heard it myself.
Anyway, do you mean "far-fetched" in the sense that it is only two or three years away?
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Beeyee

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| David Icke, really? When was this produced? His claim that we, the entire World, will be living under a regime analogous to Nazi Germany in a matter of 5 to 10 years is a bit far fetched, don't you think? |
How do you know that is him? You know his voice that well? I've never heard it myself.
Anyway, do you mean "far-fetched" in the sense that it is only two or three years away?
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It's Icke. Right he is too. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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True Story of Bilderberg and What They are Planning Now
by Stephen Lendman
For over 14 years, Daniel Estulin has investigated and researched the Bilderberg Group's far-reaching influence on business and finance, global politics, war and peace, and control of the world's resources and its money.
His book, The True Story of the Bilderberg Group, was published in 2005 and is now updated in a new 2009 edition. He states that in 1954, "the most powerful men in the world met for the first time" in Oosterbeek, Netherlands, "debated the future of the world," and decided to meet annually in secret. They called themselves the Bilderberg Group with a membership representing a who's who of world power elites, mostly from America, Canada, and Western Europe with familiar names like David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Bill Clinton, Gordon Brown, Angela Merkel, Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, Lloyd Blankfein, George Soros, Donald Rumsfeld, Rupert Murdoch, other heads of state, influential senators, congressmen and parliamentarians, Pentagon and NATO brass, members of European royalty, selected media figures, and invited others - some quietly by some accounts like Barack Obama and many of his top officials.
Always well represented are top figures from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), IMF, World Bank, Trilateral Commission, EU, and powerful central bankers from the Federal Reserve, the ECB's Jean-Claude Trichet, and Bank of England's Mervyn King.
For over half a century, no agenda or discussion topics became public nor is any press coverage allowed. The few invited fourth estate attendees and their bosses are sworn to secrecy. Nonetheless, Estulin undertook "an investigative journey" that became his life's work. He states:
"Slowly, one by one, I have penetrated the layers of secrecy surrounding the Bilderberg Group, but I could not have done this withot help of 'conscientious objectors' from inside, as well as outside, the Group's membership." As a result, he keeps their names confidential.
Whatever its early mission, the Group is now "a shadow world government....threaten(ing) to take away our right to direct our own destinies (by creating) a disturbing reality" very much harming the public's welfare. In short, Bilderbergers want to supplant individual nation-state sovereignty with an all-powerful global government, corporate controlled, and check-mated by militarized enforcement.
"Imagine a private club where presidents, prime ministers, international bankers and generals rub shoulders, where gracious royal chaperones ensure everyone gets along, and where the people running the wars, markets, and Europe (and America) say what they never dare say in public."
Early in its history, Bilderbergers decided "to create an 'Aristocracy of purpose' between Europe and the United States (to reach consensus to rule the world on matters of) policy, economics, and (overall) strategy." NATO was essential for their plans - to ensure "perpetual war (and) nuclear blackmail" to be used as necessary. Then proceed to loot the planet, achieve fabulous wealth and power, and crush all challengers to keep it.
Along with military dominance, controlling the world's money is crucial for with it comes absolute control as the powerful 19th century Rothschild family understood. As the patriarch Amschel Rothschild once said: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws."
Bilderbergers comprise the world's most exclusive club. No one buys their way in. Only the Group's Steering Committee decides whom to invite, and in all cases participants are adherents to One World Order governance run by top power elites.
According to Steering Committee rules:
"the invited guests must come alone; no wives, girlfriends, husbands or boyfriends. Personal assistants (meaning security, bodyguards, CIA or other secret service protectors) cannot attend the conference and must eat in a separate hall. (Also) The guests are explicitly forbidden from giving interviews to journalists" or divulge anything that goes on in meetings.
Host governments provide overall security to keep away outsiders. One-third of attendees are political figures. The others are from industry, finance, academia, labor and communications.
Meeting procedure is by Chatham House Rules letting attendees freely express their views in a relaxed atmosphere knowing nothing said will be quoted or revealed to the public. Meetings "are always frank, but do not always conclude with consensus."
Membership consists of annual attendees (around 80 of the world's most powerful) and others only invited occasionally because of their knowledge or involvement in relevant topics. Those most valued are asked back, and some first-timers are chosen for their possible later usefulness.
Arkansas governor Bill Clinton, for example, who attended in 1991. "There, David Rockefeller told (him) why the North American Free Trade Agreement....was a Bilderberg priority and that the group needed him to support it. The next year, Clinton was elected president," and on January 1, 1994 NAFTA took effect. Numerous other examples are similar, including who gets chosen for powerful government, military and other key positions.
Bilderberg Objectives
The Group's grand design is for "a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace, policed by one world army, and financially regulated by one 'World (Central) Bank' using one global currency." Their "wish list" includes:
-- "one international identify (observing) one set of universal values;"
-- centralized control of world populations by "mind control;" in other words, controlling world public opinion;
-- a New World Order with no middle class, only "rulers and servants (serfs)," and, of course, no democracy;
-- "a zero-growth society" without prosperity or progress, only greater wealth and power for the rulers;
-- manufactured crises and perpetual wars;
-- absolute control of education to program the public mind and train those chosen for various roles;
-- "centralized control of all foreign and domestic policies;" one size fits all globally;
-- using the UN as a de facto world government imposing a UN tax on "world citizens;"
-- expanding NAFTA and WTO globally;
-- making NATO a world military;
-- imposing a universal legal system; and
-- a global "welfare state where obedient slaves will be rewarded and non-conformists targeted for extermination."
Secret Bilderberg Partners
In the US, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is dominant. One of its 1921 founders, Edward Mandell House, was Woodrow Wilson's chief advisor and rumored at the time to be the nation's real power from 1913 - 1921. On his watch, the Federal Reserve Act passed in December 1913 giving money creation power to bankers, and the 16th Amendment was ratified in February creating the federal income tax to provide a revenue stream to pay for government debt service.
From its beginnings, CFR was committed to "a one-world government based on a centralized global financing system...." Today, CFR has thousands of influential members (including important ones in the corporate media) but keeps a low public profile, especially regarding its real agenda.
Historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. called it a "front organization (for) the heart of the American Establishment." It meets privately and only publishes what it wishes the public to know. Its members are only Americans.
The Trilateral Commission (discussed below) is a similar group that "brings together global power brokers." Founded by David Rockefeller, he's also a leading Bilderberger and CFR Chairman Emeritus, organizations he continues to finance and support.
Their past and current members reflect their power:
-- nearly all presidential candidates of both parties;
-- leading senators and congressmen;
-- key members of the fourth estate and their bosses; and
-- top officials of the FBI, CIA, NSA, defense establishment, and other leading government agencies, including state, commerce, the judiciary and treasury.
For its part, "CFR has served as a virtual employment agency for the federal government under both Democrats and Republicans." Whoever occupies the White House, "CFR's power and agenda" have been unchanged since its 1921 founding.
It advocates a global superstate with America and other nations sacrificing their sovereignty to a central power. CFR founder Paul Warburg was a member of Roosevelt's "brain trust." In 1950, his son, James, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: "We shall have world government whether or not you like it - by conquest or consent."
Later at the 1992 Bilderberg Group meeting, Henry Kissinger said:
"Today, Americans would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow, they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil....individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by their world government."
CFR planned a New World Order before 1942, and the "UN began with a group of CFR members called the Informal Agenda Group." They drafted the original UN proposal, presented it to Franklin Roosevelt who announced it publicly the next day. At its 1945 founding, CFR members comprised over 40 of the US delegates.
According to Professor G. William Domhoff, author of Who Rules America, the CFR operates in "small groups of about twenty-five, who bring together leaders from the six conspirator categories (industrialists, financiers, ideologues, military, professional specialists - lawyers, medical doctors, etc. - and organized labor) for detailed discussions of specific topics in the area of foreign affairs." Domhoff added:
"The Council on Foreign Relations, while not financed by government, works so closely with it that it is difficult to distinguish Council action stimulated by government from autonomous actions. (Its) most important sources of income are leading corporations and major foundations." The Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations to name three, and they're directed by key corporate officials.
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Cheonmunka

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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder, if you became a billionaire kind of sudden-like, do you think you'd get an invite? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| David Icke, really? When was this produced? His claim that we, the entire World, will be living under a regime analogous to Nazi Germany in a matter of 5 to 10 years is a bit far fetched, don't you think? |
How do you know that is him? You know his voice that well? I've never heard it myself.
Anyway, do you mean "far-fetched" in the sense that it is only two or three years away?
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It's Icke. Right he is too. |
Yep David Icke.  |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Beeyee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| David Icke, really? When was this produced? His claim that we, the entire World, will be living under a regime analogous to Nazi Germany in a matter of 5 to 10 years is a bit far fetched, don't you think? |
How do you know that is him? You know his voice that well? I've never heard it myself.
Anyway, do you mean "far-fetched" in the sense that it is only two or three years away?
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It's Icke. Right he is too. |
Yep David Icke.  |
Can you actually credibly refute anything he has to say, or can you only attack him as the messenger? |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Beeyee wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| David Icke, really? When was this produced? His claim that we, the entire World, will be living under a regime analogous to Nazi Germany in a matter of 5 to 10 years is a bit far fetched, don't you think? |
How do you know that is him? You know his voice that well? I've never heard it myself.
Anyway, do you mean "far-fetched" in the sense that it is only two or three years away?
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It's Icke. Right he is too. |
Yep David Icke.  |
Can you actually credibly refute anything he has to say, or can you only attack him as the messenger? |
Is this the same David Icke who used to be a sports commentator in the UK, then went insane and got fired? The one who claims that world leaders are alien-lizards living in human host bodies? Or has he quit the alien stuff and just into the conspiracy theories now? If you are talking about this same guy, then I at least, can NOT prove that Ronald Reagan wasn't a 12ft tall alien lizard living in a human host body. I'd love to prove it, but I can't. So I guess maybe he is right. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:24 am Post subject: |
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A bit more of David Icke's philosophy for you. Again, I CAN NOT prove that this is wrong. So maybe it's right:
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Reptilian humanoids
In 1999, Icke wrote and published The Biggest Secret: The Book that Will Change the World, in which he identified the extraterrestrial prison warders as reptilians from the constellation Draco.[24]They walk erect and appear to be human, living not only on the planets they come from, but also in caverns and tunnels under the earth. They have cross-bred with humans, which has created "hybrids" who are "possessed" by the full-blooded reptilians.[25] The reptiles' hybrid reptilian-human DNA allows them to change from reptilian to human form if they consume human blood. Icke has drawn parallels with the 1980s science-fiction series V, in which the earth is taken over by reptiloid aliens disguised as humans.
According to Icke, the reptilian group includes many prominent people and practically every world leader from Britain's late Queen Mother to George H.W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Harold Wilson, and Tony Blair. These people are either themselves reptilian, or work for the reptiles as what Icke calls slave-like victims of multiple personality disorder: "The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the U.S. and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure � the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to 'shape-shift'.
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That's from Wikipedia. I think it is a fair representation of his, And BA Caspar's views. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I guess there is no real way to disprove that George Bush, Gordon Brown and Barrack Obama are Reptilian humanoids. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| Yeah, I guess there is no real way to disprove that George Bush, Gordon Brown and Barrack Obama are Reptilian humanoids. |
Indeed.
And as we can't disprove it, it's best we have faith in it just in case.
Oh wait, that sounds a lot like a subject beginning with R. that's already talked about enough.
Anyway, until further notice, I will believe that every person of importance is a reptillian alien inhabitting the body of a human avatar until anyone disproves it. It's the only logical answer.
If anyone is interested, I'm thinking of starting a "David Icke Forever" club. If you want in, send me a PM. He is the messenger and the son of God. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
A bit more of David Icke's philosophy for you. Again, I CAN NOT prove that this is wrong. So maybe it's right:
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Reptilian humanoids
In 1999, Icke wrote and published The Biggest Secret: The Book that Will Change the World, in which he identified the extraterrestrial prison warders as reptilians from the constellation Draco.[24]They walk erect and appear to be human, living not only on the planets they come from, but also in caverns and tunnels under the earth. They have cross-bred with humans, which has created "hybrids" who are "possessed" by the full-blooded reptilians.[25] The reptiles' hybrid reptilian-human DNA allows them to change from reptilian to human form if they consume human blood. Icke has drawn parallels with the 1980s science-fiction series V, in which the earth is taken over by reptiloid aliens disguised as humans.
According to Icke, the reptilian group includes many prominent people and practically every world leader from Britain's late Queen Mother to George H.W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Harold Wilson, and Tony Blair. These people are either themselves reptilian, or work for the reptiles as what Icke calls slave-like victims of multiple personality disorder: "The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the U.S. and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure � the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to 'shape-shift'.
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That's from Wikipedia. I think it is a fair representation of his, And BA Caspar's views. |
Here's some of Schiffer's philosophy for you:
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| I have no self-esteem and so must seek validation by reviling others. I am nothing, a zero, and unable to think for myself, but if I can mirror what my those in my jerk circle think, maybe they won't realize it. |
That is from Schiffer Brains. I think it is a fair representation of his and Hye on Eena's views. |
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