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AgentM
Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| What would a group of Atheists do that non-Atheists couldn't do (besides congratulate each other on their worldviews)? |
That's pretty much what it comes down to most of the time I think. As an atheist, I participated in an atheists' group once. I found it to be an utterly pointless waste of time after a bit. I think often if atheists organize then they become no better than religions, preaching their own narrow minded worldviews and looking down on everyone else who isn't like them. IMO atheists should only seriously organize to fight against repression, and for equal rights if need be. |
One of the activities I'd appreciate in an Atheist group is a study into the art/process of Argumentation. I guess that would be pretty similar to the Toastmasters, no?
I think somebody that has an appreciation of the process of argumentation has a sounder basis upon which to present and base their worldviews, whatever they may be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation_theory
Having said that, I don't think a study of argumentation should exclude religious people. |
Yes, you could easily form a philosophy club for that purpose. |
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waynehead
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Atheists, generally speaking, aren't the most organized bunch. It's much easier to get a bunch of people together to save souls than it is to unite a group around the idea "hey, those guys're dumb."
Btw, I'm an atheist. |
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TheBulimicFatGuy
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
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| What would a group of Atheists do that non-Atheists couldn't do (besides congratulate each other on their worldviews)? |
What would a group of recovering alcoholics do that non-alcoholics couldn't do (besides congratulate each other on not being alcoholics)? |
Oh my flying spaghetti monster! That was awesome! |
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AbbeFaria
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:02 am Post subject: |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: |
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I was a regular participant in an atheist group back home and we always had a great time. We rarely talked about our atheism specifically but we did do a fair amount of bitching about whatever the latest 1st amendment violation was or some other jerk off thing a religious person might have done, etc.
Mostly our gatherings had absolutely nothing to do with atheism, just a place for like minded people to hang out and socialize. In one very in depth meeting, we discussed a problem with non-believers in not having a default group of people to mingle with. If you're religious, if you move to almost any new town, you find your particular brand of faith's church and you instantly have new friends. Atheists don't have that luxury so finding new ways to fill that gap is important. Also, if you're a parent raising a non-theistic child, finding other kids to hang out with is also important for them. Just as with adults, they might not immediately have activities outside of school where they can meet other kids if they don't go to church.
So there are benefits of atheists getting together that have absolutely nothing to do with religion.
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Ukon
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| Considering the majority or at least a large percentage of koreans are atheist or have no religion, I'm not sure why you have to ask.... |
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TheBulimicFatGuy
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: parents of mixed religious views |
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Anybody else in this position?
Standard story: Raised in Christian household under severely conservative parents, realized at a young age that Jesus and Santa Claus were roughly equivalent and never believed in characters again for which absolutely no proof existed.
I thought I had escaped the clutches of religion and was confident in my rationality enough to marry someone who is an go-to-church every Sunday Christian. I don't go and she doesn't bother me about it. However, she takes our son with her every Sunday and until now I've seen it as merely an opportunity to sleep in but the other day I discovered our 3 year old son clasping his hands together and imitating a prayer posture. It disturbed me at a fairly fundamental level. I thought I'd have more time before I needed to show my son the light of reason and help him skip a mental affliction meme (otherwise known as religion).
I know there will be people on this thread who question my sanity in marrying a religious person in the first place but berating me for doing that will do nothing to fix my current predicament. If you've got any good ideas on how to counter the onset of indoctrination for a 3 year old, I'd be glad to hear it. I've got some ideas but any actual experience or ideas would be welcome. |
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AbbeFaria
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: Re: parents of mixed religious views |
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Anybody else in this position?
Standard story: Raised in Christian household under severely conservative parents, realized at a young age that Jesus and Santa Claus were roughly equivalent and never believed in characters again for which absolutely no proof existed.
I thought I had escaped the clutches of religion and was confident in my rationality enough to marry someone who is an go-to-church every Sunday Christian. I don't go and she doesn't bother me about it. However, she takes our son with her every Sunday and until now I've seen it as merely an opportunity to sleep in but the other day I discovered our 3 year old son clasping his hands together and imitating a prayer posture. It disturbed me at a fairly fundamental level. I thought I'd have more time before I needed to show my son the light of reason and help him skip a mental affliction meme (otherwise known as religion).
I know there will be people on this thread who question my sanity in marrying a religious person in the first place but berating me for doing that will do nothing to fix my current predicament. If you've got any good ideas on how to counter the onset of indoctrination for a 3 year old, I'd be glad to hear it. I've got some ideas but any actual experience or ideas would be welcome. |
I can't believe you never had that conversation with her about how to raise your child before now. What your wife is doing is brainwashing your son and you are sitting idly by while she does it.
My view with my son is that it is not my job to tell him what to think, it's my job to teach him how to think. When he's older, at least in his teens, if he wants to check out church because some of his friends go, that's fine with me, but the point is to make sure he's old enough to understand what they're saying and think a little critically about it. He can ask me as many questions about it as he likes, and I hope he does. I want him to know how to ask them first, not just accept what the man at the pulpit says.
Tell her she can't take him back until he's old enough to understand what they're shoving down son's throat.
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: Re: parents of mixed religious views |
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| TheBulimicFatGuy wrote: |
| I discovered our 3 year old son clasping his hands together and imitating a prayer posture. |
Kids do crazy things. Batman, Santa Claus, praying...I've personally believed in them all.
Make your child aware of your position but there's no need to 'save him'.
Personally I envy religious people to a degree as questions regarding the afterlife, meaning etc. have been taken care of and they have a huge culture and community to identify with.
I think that the religious sentiment is a human sociological phenomenon and I can see spiritual/religious tendencies in myself, even though I don't believe in anything spiritual per-se.
Do you think your child would be happier as an Atheist? |
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digsydinner
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: Re: parents of mixed religious views |
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| tfunk wrote: |
| TheBulimicFatGuy wrote: |
| I discovered our 3 year old son clasping his hands together and imitating a prayer posture. |
Kids do crazy things. Batman, Santa Claus, praying...I've personally believed in them all.
Make your child aware of your position but there's no need to 'save him'.
Personally I envy religious people to a degree as questions regarding the afterlife, meaning etc. have been taken care of and they have a huge culture and community to identify with.
I think that the religious sentiment is a human sociological phenomenon and I can see spiritual/religious tendencies in myself, even though I don't believe in anything spiritual per-se.
Do you think your child would be happier as an Atheist? |
aren't you guys worried to spend eternity burning in hell? why not just go to church a couple times and hedge yourself..."just in case" you could be wrong...  |
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iotaphi821
Joined: 15 May 2009 Location: Currently North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| What would a group of Atheists do that non-Atheists couldn't do (besides congratulate each other on their worldviews)? |
ever see The Big Lebowski....Remember the Nihilists....I think it'd be something kinda like that... |
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AgentM
Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: Re: parents of mixed religious views |
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Personally I envy religious people to a degree as questions regarding the afterlife, meaning etc. have been taken care of and they have a huge culture and community to identify with.
I think that the religious sentiment is a human sociological phenomenon and I can see spiritual/religious tendencies in myself, even though I don't believe in anything spiritual per-se. |
I agree, I can certainly see the appeal of religion! People are often insecure in life, and it's comforting to think that there's a big fatherly type figure who's watching out for you (ever wonder why people in impoverished areas are often quick to convert to a religion). That's just one of the reasons people are attracted to religion.
Personally, however, I can't convince myself of the existence of a supreme being. As I tell my religious relatives, if I saw something that convinced me of God's existence (like y'know, a 5 minute visit from the Big Man Himself) I'd quite happily believe in Him. That hasn't happened for me yet. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Location: Korea sparkling
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: parents of mixed religious views |
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Anybody else in this position?
Standard story: Raised in Christian household under severely conservative parents, realized at a young age that Jesus and Santa Claus were roughly equivalent and never believed in characters again for which absolutely no proof existed.
I thought I had escaped the clutches of religion and was confident in my rationality enough to marry someone who is an go-to-church every Sunday Christian. I don't go and she doesn't bother me about it. However, she takes our son with her every Sunday and until now I've seen it as merely an opportunity to sleep in but the other day I discovered our 3 year old son clasping his hands together and imitating a prayer posture. It disturbed me at a fairly fundamental level. I thought I'd have more time before I needed to show my son the light of reason and help him skip a mental affliction meme (otherwise known as religion).
I know there will be people on this thread who question my sanity in marrying a religious person in the first place but berating me for doing that will do nothing to fix my current predicament. If you've got any good ideas on how to counter the onset of indoctrination for a 3 year old, I'd be glad to hear it. I've got some ideas but any actual experience or ideas would be welcome. |
wow ...you need to get on this I think it's still reversible. Make sure to teach your son math and science at an early age. The more he invests in science & reason the less likely he'll be stuck with this mental illness.
seriously, how could let this happen to your child? |
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AgentM
Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: parents of mixed religious views |
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wow ...you need to get on this I think it's still reversible. Make sure to teach your son math and science at an early age. The more he invests in science & reason the less likely he'll be stuck with this mental illness.
seriously, how could let this happen to your child? |
Calm down, it's not the end of the world. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Location: Korea sparkling
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said it was the end of the world. Having said that I do think that religious indoctrination is worse than getting molested. Molestation scars you, religious indoctrination psychologically scars you and makes you stupider. |
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