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bucheon bum
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| There are enough problems facing this country. The birth certificate issue is a joke, and a distraction from more important matters. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| Hawaii was slobbing Obama's knob. They'll get something out of it, have no fear. |
Well, if Hawaiian government officials at the highest level engaged in forgery of a birth doucment, that might be something for right-leaning investigative journalists to look into. Until they actually do that, and present some evidence, I don't see why these allegations continue to be thrust into the public discussion.
And Steve Sailer, an anti-immigration conservative who subscribes to the Bell Curve school on racial issues, and pretty much despises Barack Obama, nevertheless provides a rather convincing take-down of the rumours...
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Has anybody advocating this actually looked at a globe and thought about what a trip from Honolulu to Nairobi would have been like on a first-generation jetliner in 1961?
Hawaii and Kenya are on almost exact opposite sides of the world. The Boeing 707 had a range of only 3700 miles, so the outbound portion of their supposed trip would have looked something like this:
A flight from Honolulu to the West Coast.
Then a flight from the West Coast to the East Coast.
Then from the East Coast to a refueling stop at Gander in Newfoundland.
Then Gander to London.
Then London to somewhere to the south (Cairo?).
Then on to Nairobi in one or two more segments.
(The Great Circle distance going the other way around the world is slightly less, but there would have been even fewer flights available.)
They would have been in transit for, say, 100 hours each way.
It would then have taken a day or two on buses to get to the Obama family farm near Lake Victoria.
Two round trip tickets for this ambitious expedition would have been prohibitively expensive for anyone, let alone two young students.
Barack Sr. only got from Kenya to Hawaii in the first place due to the famous Tom Mboya Airlift, an expensive Cold War project funded by Americans to woo the next generation of Kenya�s elites away from Soviet influence.
Not surprisingly, there�s little evidence that Obama Sr. ever went home to Kenya during his four years in America. It was just too expensive.
It�s especially unlikely that he would have taken his heavily pregnant bride on such a grueling trip to Kenya.
Besides the difficulties of travel for a pregnant woman, Obama Sr. had a little problem that would have dissuaded him from taking his new wife to see the folks. See, back in Kenya, he already had a wife�Keiza, and two kids, Roy and Auma.
His bigamous marriage to Obama�s mother was a criminal act in Hawaii. Fortunately, for Barack Sr., the state of Hawaii didn�t know about his other wife.
Granted, polygamy is legal (indeed, is fashionable) in Kenya. But it seems highly unlikely that Obama Sr. would have been in any hurry to open the can of worms that his bigamy entailed while he was still living in America.
Also, Obama Sr.�s father, Onyango Obama, a wealthy, politically influential landowner, had opposed his son�s marriage to a white woman on racial grounds. So, why would the young man go looking for face-to-face trouble with his famously strong-willed father?
It�s not as if he was terribly serious about this latest marriage. He abruptly abandoned Ann and Barack Jr. two years later because his scholarship offer from the highbrow New School of Social Research that would have paid for the whole family to move to Manhattan was, while prestigious, not as prestigious as the scholarship offer from Harvard that paid just his own living expenses.
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Wow, people are still talking about Obama's birthplace? LOL.
It makes more sense to me that people should be concerned about McCain's birth than Obama's. (not that I don't believe McCain is a citizen. He is.)
I mean, there is actual documentation that hewas born in during a time when "natural born" citizenship was ambiguous in the Panama Canal. Yet no one seemed to have been that up-in-arms about it. |
Actually, dozens of lawsuits were filed against both McCain and Obama re: their being constitutionally unqualified for the Presidency due to not being native born citizens. It was the same people filing against both. I thought all of the actual legal cases had been dismissed or lost by now. Of course, some people will never give up.
Chester Arthur was not native born and not legally qualified to be President. It was kept hushed up until after he left office or after he died. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| There are enough problems facing this country. The birth certificate issue is a joke, and a distraction from more important matters. |
Exactly. The birth certicate people are right up there with the "OH MAH GAWD OBAMA IS A MOSLEM" people.
We have trillions of dollars we owe to various entities and all we can think about is what Obama was doing when he was a baby. No wonder we've become a nation of deadbeat borrowers.  |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If a hagwon teacher is required to produce a full background check to sing English songs to kids in Korea, then shouldn't the President of the United States be required to produce a birth certificate? |
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Karea
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Free Hawaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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There are a lot of vids on youtube about this saying that the "birth certificate" is not official because it lacks an official seal.
I personally have no stake in this race as I am Canadian.
Then there are things like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SebxDwji__I&feature=related |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| All that needs to be done is to show the US Hospital Obama birth certificate to silence the room. |
Obama provided documentation proving he was born in Hawaii. This documentation was supported by the Hawaiian Government as legitimate (which is the only meaningful standard to judge official documents by). Anyone who has not yet been convinced will never, ever be convinced. |
...yet there are so many left to be convinced. Hawaii went which way in '08?
I could show you "documentation" that I was born in Pyongyang, and if it benefited Kim in any way at all to do so, I guarandamntee you he'd give it the nod. |
My point was rather that anyone who refuses to accept documentation which is backed by the Hawaiian Government will never accept any documentation. They will always claim it is fraudulent.
Anyone who currently believes Obama wasn't born in the United States is incredibly unlikely to change their mind. Why should time be wasted trying to persuade them? No document Obama might produce will convince them, because they don't want to be convinced. All they want is Obama thrown out of office. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| If a hagwon teacher is required to produce a full background check to sing English songs to kids in Korea, then shouldn't the President of the United States be required to produce a birth certificate? |
He produced all the required documentation. He even went above and beyond what was required and put some documentation up on the internet. The only people who aren't currently satisified on this account are people who will never be satisfied, because their goal isn't simply to make sure Obama is in fact a citizen, but rather to try to force him out of office. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| If a hagwon teacher is required to produce a full background check to sing English songs to kids in Korea, then shouldn't the President of the United States be required to produce a birth certificate? |
He produced all the required documentation. He even went above and beyond what was required and put some documentation up on the internet. The only people who aren't currently satisified on this account are people who will never be satisfied, because their goal isn't simply to make sure Obama is in fact a citizen, but rather to try to force him out of office. |
But haven't you heard, Hawaii is in on it! |
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some waygug-in
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hawaii's State Government confirms his certificate's validity. Why on Earth would they forge a birth certificate if the Hawaiian State Government is on their side in some sort of vast conspiracy? They could have simply had a real one issued. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Why indeed? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Why indeed? |
An excellent answer which sums up the case of those who believe Obama's certificate is a fraud quite nicely.
At this point they're essentially asserting that some sort of vast conspiracy is occuring, one run by people so powerful, subtle, and connected that they have the Hawaiian State Goovernment on a leash, yet so stupid that amateur internet detectives were able to see through the birth certificate they opted to forge (rather than having their pet state government simply issue a legitimate one).
That's certainly one possibility. Alternatively, they could simply be wrong and letting their dislike of Barack Obama blind them. I wonder which is more likely? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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