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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
A simple test of stereotypng was done on people on an american street was asked about stereotypes for all the major races. When it came to whites ... they didn't have one. They didn't know one.
What does this say about stereoyping ? Class ?  |
A better question would be what does it say about the people doing the survey. Many stereotypes about white people exist; any survey that failed to turn some up is more than questionable.
And this, mind you, is a good example of why many people are wary of such classes. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| fox, even if it wasn't racial profiling, what other reason did the cop have for stopping a mail man? The police officer has to have a valid reason for searching someone. He has to have some kind of reason to investigate a person. This is where the law becomes stupid in my opinion. According to the law, the police officer can pretty much make up any reason for an individual to be suspicious. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| E_athlete wrote: |
| fox, even if it wasn't racial profiling, what other reason did the cop have for stopping a mail man? |
Probably just curiosity about someone he had never seen delivering mail before in an area he was very familiar with. I don't think there's anything shocking about that, and certainly no reason to accuse him of racial profiling! This whole idea that "Because it's a minority, it must be racism," really needs to end.
| E_athlete wrote: |
| The police officer has to have a valid reason for searching someone. |
A police officer needs no immediate reason what so ever to make requests of people, and I see nothing here beyond some basic requests which the mailman complied with of his own free will; police do that all the time, and not just to black people. It's happened to me. Hell, I've had my car and pockets searched because I was driving late one night and decided to take a nap in my car instead of paying $100 to sleep at the only nearby hotel. I could have told the cop to go to Hell, but I had nothing to hide, so I let them search. Because I'm not black, though, it unfortunately wasn't breaking news.
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| According to the law, the police officer can pretty much make up any reason for an individual to be suspicious. |
It's part of their job to be suspicious. No one got hurt, no one got arrested, all that happened is a basic request for information was made, and said request was granted. So long as the law would have been on the mailman's side if he had refused the cop said information, nothing is wrong here. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Fox, I'm going to take a huge assumption here and say you are probably 1) white and 2) haven't been hassled by the police in a real sense before. This is why you think it's perfectly okay for police to try investigating you when you are just living out your daily life. You may not know this because you probably haven't been hassled in a real sense (because you are white) but when stopped by an officer they will ask you several questions trying to incriminate you. They will demand to check your belongings without a warrant (especially when you aren't white). It's not their job to be suspicious it's their job to uphold the law, not break the constitution or profile people based on skin pigmentation. If you are smart and you haven't stepped over any imaginary lines you will get off with maybe a fine or a warning. Getting a $100 fine for doing nothing wrong? Yes it happens in Canada, especially in Quebec where there are many corrupt cops. Toronto police aren't any better.
If there is good reason to be suspicious then yes by all means do some investigation but do it without trampling over a person's rights. Why would a person investigate a mailman wearing a mailman's uniform? Sorry, just because you've never seen this particular mailman does not make the man suspicious. There are many mailmen out there, he's just one cop...he cant know all the mailmen out there..
You are right that it is difficult to prove racial profiling. He can substitute racial profiling by making virtually any excuse. The same works when discriminating applicants to a job in the work force. It is difficult to prove it and that's why this maladaptive situation is hard to change.
I understand white people are quick to defend all police officers but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that most of you have never run into cops that hound after you, follow you around for not being white. There is a reason black people don't like cops it's because they aren't treated the same way white people are. I think you will agree with me on this as the scientific evidence points to this. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| E_athlete wrote: |
| Fox, I'm going to take a huge assumption here and say you are probably 1) white and 2) haven't been hassled by the police in a real sense before. |
I haven't been, but my brother assuredly has been, despite being white. He's been hauled from his home in his underwear and thrown into snow. He's been arrested for defending himself against a girl he was dating who was attacking him while drugged up (and went to jail for it). He's been stopped, pulled over, and hassled countless times. I know all about it, so how about you stop with your assumptions?
It's worth noting that your "You don't know about this stuff because you're white," statement is racist in and of itself, because it draws a conclusion based on nothing more than race.
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| You are right that it is difficult to prove racial profiling. He can substitute racial profiling by making virtually any excuse. |
And it's virtually impossible to prove he wasn't racially profiling to someone who decides immediately it must be the case with scant information about the case.
You are clearly ready to think the worst automatically. As a result, of course you're going to see racism and racial profiling everywhere. That's exactly why I'm not willing to take the aforementioned survey seriously. Does racism drive people's actions? No doubt at times, for people of every race. Is it so pervasive that we should automatically assume it's a factor without further implicating evidence? No.
Everything I see implies that the police officer was polite, and that the mailman complied of his own will. None the less, with no solid evidence, and despite the presence of a reasonable doubt, a judge found him guilty because he couldn't prove himself innocent, which is especially troubling given in the situation in question, proving one's self innocent is impossible. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| benji wrote: |
| What are blacks called in Canada? African Canadians? |
Canadians |
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