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Captain Corea
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| RufusW wrote: |
So who's gonna be the first Conservative poster to say isolationism is better than engagement?
Bolton's already at it : "But I worry that the outcome is a lot better for North Korea than for the United States. I mean this is a classic case of rewarding bad behavior, the seizure of these two basically innocent Americans. Obviously all of us want to get them out but we want it done in a way that doesn�t increase the risks in the future for other Americans seized by North Korea, seized by Iran, seized by other despotic regimes and then turned into pawns to get senior officials like former presidents to come and legitimize the regime in order to get them out. |
One question that I'm still curious about - did they cross the line? Did the girls enter the DPRK? |
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Kikomom
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Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| They were standing on the ice in the middle of some border river. A photographer and Chinese guide were not taken, and the guide has not been heard from since. The photographer hasn't told his story... yet. |
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canuckistan
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Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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"Oh Bill, how could we EVER repay you for saving us??!!"
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pkang0202
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Billy boy would not have gone to NK if the release of those girls wasn't already guaranteed. Of course NK loves Bill Clinton. If was on HIS watch that they developed nukes.
hmm... Why wouldn't NK want W. Bush to go there? Probably because HE was a big roadblock to their evil plans. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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No one has mentioned it yet, but yesterday was Obama's birthday. Given how the Norks operate, that is not an insignificant fact.
pkang, as usual, messes up the facts to support his dogma. 
Bolton got in the first shot from the right. It should be fun watching the wingnuts squirm over the next few days. No doubt one attack will be about him apologizing for the women--far better to leave the women rotting in a foreign prison than have a former president insult the wingers' pride. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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W. was nothing but silly Texas tough talk, hot air, and he can't even pronounce nuclear. Yea, calling them a part of the Axis of Evil is really going to win friends in Korea? That kind of charm doesn't cut it.
The Machiavelli's are gonna hate him since no one was hurt in the accomplishing of this mission.
Still, I like to know more about W's talks to the defense industry guys there and what he had to say to the high school kids in Andong. W. the arms dealer, war monger? Or he just wants to dumb down education while making a fast buck for the family business. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't understand how they have so many problems feeding their people. |
Socialized grain: it lengthens queues
| Rufus W wrote: |
| So who's gonna be the first Conservative poster to say isolationism is better than engagement? |
I wondered who the first lefty poster (I refuse to use the word liberal) would be to announce that the release of two women from a gulag - by a former President of the world's quintessentially capitalist nation - was some kind of victory for leftism.
The Berlin Wall fell 20 years ago, bro. This all you guys got?  |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-Ta, who's Bolton (W.'s UN guy?) and got a link?
Getting on the plane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIwGYa7cx7U&feature=player_embedded
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The journalists' release followed weeks of quiet negotiations between the State Department and the North Korean mission to the United Nations, said Daniel Sneider, associate director of research at Stanford University's Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center.
Clinton "didn't go to negotiate this, he went to reap the fruits of the negotiation," Sneider said.
Pardoning Ling and Lee and having Clinton serving as their emissary served both North Korea's need to continue maintaining that the two women had committed a crime and the Obama administration's desire not to expend diplomatic capital winning their freedom, Sneider said.
HuffPo
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RufusW
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Isolationaism ratchets up tension, engagement gets things done. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| RufusW wrote: |
| Isolationaism ratchets up tension, engagement gets things done. |
Regime change works best! |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| RufusW wrote: |
So who's gonna be the first Conservative poster to say isolationism is better than engagement?
Bolton's already at it : "But I worry that the outcome is a lot better for North Korea than for the United States. I mean this is a classic case of rewarding bad behavior, the seizure of these two basically innocent Americans. Obviously all of us want to get them out but we want it done in a way that doesn�t increase the risks in the future for other Americans seized by North Korea, seized by Iran, seized by other despotic regimes and then turned into pawns to get senior officials like former presidents to come and legitimize the regime in order to get them out. |
Sorry, Rufus. I guess I meant to ask you for the link to the Bolton quote. And I borrowed your isolation/engagement quote for my blog. Good one. Churchill: "Jaw jaw is better than war war."
How about they send Bush to Iran to get the hikers? |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| This situation is a massive disgrace to the US and a massive victory for a tyrant. It is a joke that a former President should have to crawl on his knees for a butcher such as KJI. This is a massive embarassment for the US. |
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RufusW
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Billy boy would not have gone to NK if the release of those girls wasn't already guaranteed. Of course NK loves Bill Clinton. If was on HIS watch that they developed nukes.
hmm... Why wouldn't NK want W. Bush to go there? Probably because HE was a big roadblock to their evil plans. |
I'm not sure what history books or newspapers you read, but where I come from, North Korea tested it's first nuclear weapon when G.W. Bush was Prez. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| This situation is a massive disgrace to the US and a massive victory for a tyrant. It is a joke that a former President should have to crawl on his knees for a butcher such as KJI. This is a massive embarassment for the US. |
Releasing two girls held by North Korea is a loss for the U.S.? It is an embarrassment to get them home?
Are you some sort of traitor? |
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