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Rteacher
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| It was a good listening exercise/fun activity for sure, and it could be followed up with a speaking practice activity of some sort ... |
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rusty1983
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| It was a good listening exercise/fun activity for sure, and it could be followed up with a speaking practice activity of some sort ... |
Yeah but dont u think it took a few classes to organise? Must have taken all week to practice it! |
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i_teach_esl
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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i absolutely LOVE this....
and slow your roll, trash talkers. it wouldnt take that long to do. 10 min at the end of each lesson to practice... and the kids LOOK like they dont care, but deep down i bet they love it. |
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RufusW
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Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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It was good, I lol'd when the girl turned over her letter to get 'over'. Well worked out.
What about just getting the kids to take a word each and stand up when they need to say it? Any other good songs to use? |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| What about just getting the kids to take a word each and stand up when they need to say it? Any other good songs to use? |
Do you mean like - Last One Standing?
I've been demonstrating this game for a few years in workshops. Lots of examples on EFL Classroom and ppts/videos with preselected words. Best songs are those which have lots of repetitive vocab.
Great example of a teacher doing the right thing.
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
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Sushi
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Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I bet the students could probably sing the song anyway after that. Maybe that would be the next step, and hold up their cards as well. |
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Goku
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Wow..............
I don't know how this could be feigned as learning in whatever manner. Writing, speaking, listening, or reading.
The only thing they have to do is put up a sign when they hear their word. That's it. You can do that for any language song. Give me a Korean song with "sa rang he" in it and I can hold up a sign everytime I hear saranghe.
Have I learned anything?
Yes, I learned it was a waste of my time.
This has minimal impact on the kids future in English. The amount of effort for the amount of words they learned makes this an utter waste of time and effort. |
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eamo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, I'd agree there hasn't been a lot of language acquired there.........
.............but that's easily offset by the fact that the kids were able to see that English does not have to be a dry, tedious marathon of memorization.
If they come away from that with just a little positive attitude to learning English, it was worth it. |
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kabrams
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Wow..............
I don't know how this could be feigned as learning in whatever manner. Writing, speaking, listening, or reading.
The only thing they have to do is put up a sign when they hear their word. That's it. You can do that for any language song. Give me a Korean song with "sa rang he" in it and I can hold up a sign everytime I hear saranghe.
Have I learned anything?
Yes, I learned it was a waste of my time.
This has minimal impact on the kids future in English. The amount of effort for the amount of words they learned makes this an utter waste of time and effort. |
Man, if this isn't the most perfect example of a hater doing his job! HATE HATE HATE.
Anyway, he did this during summer camp folks.
I thought it was interesting and fun.
The kid with the "AFTER" sign certainly seemed to be enjoying himself (along with the teacher)
I think the reason why the other students didn't seem into it was because they were a bit nervous.
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Sushi
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Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Lets write some positive comments on the youtube comment section. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
Wow..............
I don't know how this could be feigned as learning in whatever manner. Writing, speaking, listening, or reading.
The only thing they have to do is put up a sign when they hear their word. That's it. You can do that for any language song. Give me a Korean song with "sa rang he" in it and I can hold up a sign everytime I hear saranghe.
Have I learned anything?
Yes, I learned it was a waste of my time.
This has minimal impact on the kids future in English. The amount of effort for the amount of words they learned makes this an utter waste of time and effort. |
Goku,
The level of language manipuation in that video was/is truly exceptional.
Taking a unilateral 2D script of verse and creating a 3D multilateral visual image is not an easy task...and in this case...it was well done...in fact...as other posters have mentioned...it borders on genius.
Learning to manipulate language is definately not a waste of time.
While it can be argued that those very learners might not have the language or cognitive reasoning to fully appreciate that lesson, creating that video for others to benefit from, or themselves in the future, is reason enough to see the benefit in creating that video.
With all the really bad lessons most of us have had to endure in our educational histories...I don't see this one being included in that.
Personally, I was inspired at the level of effort and creativity that teacher applied to that lesson...my hat is off to him. |
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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| i think goku needs to stop sippin on that Hater-ade. |
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roadwork
Joined: 24 Nov 2008
Location: Goin' up the country
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| What about just getting the kids to take a word each and stand up when they need to say it? Any other good songs to use? |
Do you mean like - Last One Standing?
I've been demonstrating this game for a few years in workshops. Lots of examples on EFL Classroom and ppts/videos with preselected words. Best songs are those which have lots of repetitive vocab.
Great example of a teacher doing the right thing.
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
David you rule! Last One Standing is an awesome idea. I'm going to try that with my 5th and 6th graders since they hate the public school songs |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Goku wrote: |
Wow..............
I don't know how this could be feigned as learning in whatever manner. Writing, speaking, listening, or reading.
The only thing they have to do is put up a sign when they hear their word. That's it. You can do that for any language song. Give me a Korean song with "sa rang he" in it and I can hold up a sign everytime I hear saranghe.
Have I learned anything?
Yes, I learned it was a waste of my time.
This has minimal impact on the kids future in English. The amount of effort for the amount of words they learned makes this an utter waste of time and effort. |
Goku,
The level of language manipuation in that video was/is truly exceptional.
Taking a unilateral 2D script of verse and creating a 3D multilateral visual image is not an easy task...and in this case...it was well done...in fact...as other posters have mentioned...it borders on genius.
Learning to manipulate language is definately not a waste of time.
While it can be argued that those very learners might not have the language or cognitive reasoning to fully appreciate that lesson, creating that video for others to benefit from, or themselves in the future, is reason enough to see the benefit in creating that video.
With all the really bad lessons most of us have had to endure in our educational histories...I don't see this one being included in that.
Personally, I was inspired at the level of effort and creativity that teacher applied to that lesson...my hat is off to him. |
That's viewing the learning form an aggregate class level (which is non-existent). Not the individual student. Each student is aware only of their own beat/rhythm and the timing of their own letters.
They themselves don't have the exposure of language manipulation involved in the video. Even that a best is minimal "language manipulation". It's a song with holding boards up that involves English words. But considering the obscurity of the words and their irrelevance to actual language syntax, it's not a good use of parents money for an English camp.
While I admit it's an impressive use of time, it's not an English lesson at all. Nor is it conducive for language learning.
If we wanted, we could take a test of all the students and see if they understood all the words, how the words are ordered and their ability to manipulate the words into cohesive meaning. Somehow I fail to see any of them doing anything more than holding up a sign.
We shouldn't kid ourselves that it's a good use of time or a good language lesson. It appears so under the guise of English words going BANCHA BANCHA (bling bling for those unfamiliar with the Korean) and therefore a valid language lesson.
But it's not. Consider this, I learned the lyrics for an Entire Korean song. I can sing the whole song and even the dance moves. However, I have no idea what the words mean. Even though what I can do can be considered more impressive, it is still by no means an efficient way to learn then language. In this case, it was probably less effective.
Was it amusing and impressive? Yes
Was it a good use of English Summer Camp? No |
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typo
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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But considering the obscurity of the words and their irrelevance to actual language syntax, it's not a good use of parents money for an English camp.
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The song contains the following words: do it faster makes us stronger all our work is never over hour after.
You're right. Those are some pretty obscure words.
And the rest of this statement is bogus, too. "Do it faster" is a construction used all the time. "...makes us stronger." "All our work is never over." "Make it better."
Come on, now. |
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