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ddeubel
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You make some good points here. Seeing as how regular schools inculcate the dominant culture, as you put it, perhaps any alternative is an improvement.
While I agree that having their own space where they can feel free to be themselves is important, I also agree with Fox that it should somehow be combined with regular schooling. |
I'm not so sure.
One thing I do know is that "online learning" is very much misunderstood. So too, homeschooling.
Many people have this vision of kids closeted up or sitting staring at a computer monitor for hours a day, no interaction. Nothing further from the truth and the quality of social interaction is much higher also.
In online learning you have lots of contact with people online. Voices / faces and much more personal contact and input with instructors. Much more. In the "regular classroom", very empirical studies have found that on average students speak with the teacher or ask a question once every 10 hours!!!!
Further, homeschooled or online schooled kids get their work and studies done much more efficiently. That leaves a lot more time for other pursuits where they DO hang out or take yoga/guitar lessons, travel etc... They interact in these activities with a much wider range of people and thus, gain very important "adult" socialization skills.
I think the nature of learning and most importantly, how we "appraise" or accredit learning is going to change a lot this century. The old ACME factory model of education is dying out , however far too slow for me though....
Read / watch / listen to much of John Taylor Gatto's stuff. Especially Beyond Schooling. Here's an old but basic primer of his on how wrong institutionalized education and schools are - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26DvPQ7EIQ4 |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| There should be straights-only and whites-only highschools too. |
I was going to say, "You're kidding, right?". But come to think of it, Jerry Falwells' Liberty University is probably pretty close to fitting that bill, and I am sure there are a lot of similar private high schools that do also.
But anyway, do you think either of the groups you mentioned really suffer from harassment to the point of needing a "safe haven"? |
Actually yes. There are many public schools in the US that white kids can just not go to. |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| Didnt New York City start an actual gay high school years ago? |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| benji wrote: |
| Sector7G wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
| There should be straights-only and whites-only highschools too. |
I was going to say, "You're kidding, right?". But come to think of it, Jerry Falwells' Liberty University is probably pretty close to fitting that bill, and I am sure there are a lot of similar private high schools that do also.
But anyway, do you think either of the groups you mentioned really suffer from harassment to the point of needing a "safe haven"? |
Actually yes. There are many public schools in the US that white kids can just not go to. |
I'm assuming you mean those in some of the poorer areas because they will get beaten up by one or more minority. That sucks, I agree. When I was in high school my house was on the very last street of one district, and one street away from the district of the absolute worst school in Orlando(actually, the one I went to was not much better). But all of my friends who did live in that district found some way, some loop hole to keep from going there. The point is, they did have some options. I'm not so sure gays do.
Actually, I guess I am out of the loop a little. I thought young people today were a lot more accepting and tolerant than when I went to school, so gays would not feel the need for a safe haven. But when I see some of the dangerously ignorant and crazy things being said at some of those town hall meetings - yes I know it's a different subject- I am reminded that there are still some places in the U.S. where it's probably not too cool to be openly gay, to say the least. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| benji wrote: |
| Didnt New York City start an actual gay high school years ago? |
Yes, the Harvey Milk School. A bricks-and-mortar school, I believe it is still running. |
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