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| Why should you bother asking and putting someone in a box? |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I can't understand why it would be rude. If you have a religion, then you believe that you know a truth. Is it rude to ask where the post office is? What are people, ashamed of their beliefs? As for Xtians and some other religions, they are commanded to spread the word, so they should already be in your face about it without you asking.
Just saying. |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Location: Nowon-gu
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Dawkins and Samuel Harris wouldn't be offended. I understand your annoyance at the question and the person himself/herself, but there shouldn't be any qualms on your part to espouse your belief in Reason. Admittedly, it's hard to reason with such persons. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I just can't quite get my head around the idea that the whole shebang just started existing one day where previously there had been capital-N Nothing. Without the actions of a "higher power", why did the Void ever stop being the Void? |
What I don't understand is why you can get your head around the idea of a higher power just existing, but can't get your head around the idea of the universe just existing. If you worry about the origin of the universe, why don't you worry about the origin of the higher power? If one has to have an origin, surely both do. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| I can't understand why it would be rude. If you have a religion, then you believe that you know a truth. |
Very true. But if another person has another religion, that other person believes he or she knows a truth, too.
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| Is it rude to ask where the post office is? |
I don't see the parallel.
Nobody ever started an argument by asking where the post office is.
A more appropriate question would be, "Is it rude to ask who you're going to vote for?"
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| As for Xtians and some other religions, they are commanded to spread the word, so they should already be in your face about it without you asking. |
What is your major premise, that everyone should appreciate what someone else is commanded to do?
If the enemy forces were commanded to invade your village, would you appreciate their invading your village?
The "Let's Bash Theists" thread is for people who want to argue about religion.
Asking a person about his or her religion can spoil a perfectly good social occasion by confronting a person whether he or she wants to be confronted or not. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I voted for 'it's always okay' but I don't see why anyone should be 'proud' about their faith. I thought the key was to be humble, no....?
Anyway to me, as an atheist, asking someone about their religion is the same as asking them about a philosophical or sociological standpoint or something like that.
Shouldn't be a big deal if you ask me.
And guys take a ganders at Michio Kaku's book 'Parrallel worlds.'
The astrophysicist himslef had simmialr qualms about their either being a universe created out of the void (his school in the USA was Christian and he had to go to Sunday school) or that it;s always existed (his mother was a buddhist...)
Some modern day QED therories suggest that universes are continually born and dying and budding off of one another - a kind of continual big bang style creations amidst a sea of timeless creation. Or whatever. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:44 am Post subject: |
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I would never ask a western person, but I ask other foreigners all the time, not on first meeting, but in order to find out if I can offer them a ride to church, where we can go to eat, or where to send them when they need help.
There are polite ways to ask and appropriate contexts in which to ask. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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I would never ask a western person, but I ask other foreigners all the time, not on first meeting, but in order to find out if I can offer them a ride to church, where we can go to eat, or where to send them when they need help.
There are polite ways to ask and appropriate contexts in which to ask. |
What's innapropriate about asking someone their religion or if they have one? |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| What's innapropriate about asking someone their religion or if they have one? |
What's wrong with the answer I gave ChopChaeJoe?
The other person might be of a different religion, that's why?
Do you want to have a perfect social occasion ruined by being told that you're a sinner and you're going to go to hell?
Or by a religious skeptic telling you that you're a gullible fool to believe in a collection of myths and superstitions?
If you don't think a discussion on religion can be anything less than peaceful, click onto "Let's Bash Theists" and see how peaceful that thread is. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| What's innapropriate about asking someone their religion or if they have one? |
What's wrong with the answer I gave Chopcaejoe? |
It's a naff answer; that's what.
I doubt a war is going to start between two sane, well balanced adults if one asks the other - 'hey, so are you religious' or ' so are you Christian...' or 'Do you believe in God...?'
Let's say I'm a Christian and the other guy tells me he's a Muslim / Catholic / Jew or vice versa. Even if I don't agree with his releigion's tennets, I can just say 'oh, right' or whatever and leave it at that or change the subject or even just smile...
It doesn't follow that just because we have different religions we're going to start a releigious debate lol... why do so many folks on this board only seem to possess generalised, polarised thinking....?
Yesterday in fact I was at dinner with my new Korean co-worker and 4 of her friends who are all evangelical missionaries and have been missionaries in the Phillipines, Korea, and Papa New Guinea...
They asked me if I was religious and I answered 'no.' The husband said grace, I ignored it and then we then carried on eating and talking about other things and had a generally pleasant time all day long. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| I doubt a war is going to start between two sane, well balanced adults if one asks the other - 'hey, so are you religious' or ' so are you Christian...' or 'Do you believe in God...?' |
How do you know whether or not the other person is sane and well-balanced?
All you know is whether or not YOU are sane and well-balanced.
I'm glad that the people you met were sane and well-balanced,
but I have met people who were not.
So my fear is quite rational. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Oddly I am not usually asked about this by Koreans. I think I just have a missionary look to me, whether I like it or not. Maybe I need to look more like my avatar.
>There are polite ways to ask and appropriate contexts in which to ask.
Exactly. Francis of Assisi said, "Preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words." I don't force it into the conversation, but if it comes up, fine. I might mention I go to church, but I would not ask others outright. I expect the same with others; if it feels like blitzkrieg evangelism, people get uncomfortable.
My advice is to know a little about other religions (or secular movements). If you can deflect someone who is being pushy into talking about their beliefs or nonbeliefs at an abstract level it can avoid some unpleasantness. Or talk about beer. Everyone likes beer. That's probably why you're at the same table... But if someone just won't give it up, I don't feel obligated to be polite. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| In a Western context, it feels inappropriate. So if you are Western and want me to give you a ride to church, you're going to have to ask me outright. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Man, sorry to be faecetious, but you religious types have weird hang ups.
To me asking that question is no different than asking what you think of a political leaders new policy or whatver...
Touchy, touchy... no wonder they're always fighting each other....
(toungue half in cheek) |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| I've really no dog in this fight. I gave up Christianity a decade ago. Personally I think almost all of these religions have been made moot by science. I guess I'm not so interested in social niceties as in making meaningful connections with people. All i can say is i don't find it rude, which is how I voted. How you feel may be different, and that's ok. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: Agnostic |
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| I don't believe I would call the Bible inerrant and infallible. |
Correct. The line 'it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven', actually contains a glaring typo. The Greek words for "rope" & "camel" are very similar. Just one example of human error when transcribing from one language to another. I'm sure there are many others.
In Indonesia, they ask: "Where are you from, How old are you, What is your religion, Are you married, & How much money do you earn? Quite similar to Korea. |
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