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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hockeyguy109 wrote:
It's not really an argument. I'm just curious about the phrase. Can anyone please tell me why anyone would say "arts brain". I'm not trying to fight, just please explain why anyone would say that.


Alright, felt like it. Case closed. Care to move on? Or shall I address your atrocious spelling?
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: How hard can it be? Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/hs/physics/physics/

I am sick of people with all their- "Oh, I have more of a science brain," and "I thought of you as more of an artistically minded person," and so forth. I call BS on that. Sure I skipped a lot of math in high school. Was it because I have an arts brain, or was it because smoking and being cool were more fun than class? I think the latter. I found this course online a while back, and it was fun. But drinking and hanging out proved to be even more fun (or at least easier) so I kind of gave up on it. Now I am bored and sort of done with having fun, so I think I am going to try this course. Physics is just math- piece of cake!

Anyone else want to try?


I think its more about having self-motivation. Unfortunately, it seems from your description, that with regards to math and physics, you did not always have that self-motivation. But now, you do. So, I say good for you. It really is never too late to become passionate about learning something.


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D.D.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What areas of a persons brain they use most has a huge effect on their life. As a chiropractor I study the effects of trauma on the nervous system and how to help people in recovering from ill effects. This put me on a path where I got into how the mind works. I like the model of right brain vs left brain to simplify a very complicated concept.

Even when I try to explain it broken down into left vs right people look at me like some alien talking. It is quite a simple idea that brain function effects people's lives. Studying this lead me into Esl in China and Korea as I wanted to experiment with teaching techniques and how they worked on different brain parts. I now hope to go teach in a chiropractic school and apply the things Ilearned to patient education.

I have noticed that in education and society that the right brain is treated with little respect. The left brain traits are given the respect that theright brain deserves.


They divided up my 1st grade students into 7 levels and the realy left brained students got put in the top class and the righties in the bottom class. No matter how much I tried to say that the righties got burned nobody wanted to listen.

My sister was branded as stupid at a young age as she was very right brained and she just finished her CGA this year after years of shaking off the feeling of being stupid.

People who can use many parts of the brain are more advanced than people who use mostly one side. Education in Korea is about making left brained people. That is why they are not very creative.

Again it is an easy way to explain a very complicated process, but education should be looking at it.
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hockeyguy109



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
hockeyguy109 wrote:
It's not really an argument. I'm just curious about the phrase. Can anyone please tell me why anyone would say "arts brain". I'm not trying to fight, just please explain why anyone would say that.


Alright, felt like it. Case closed. Care to move on? Or shall I address your atrocious spelling?


I'm glad to see you had a teacher who taught you "atrocious". I hope you have more of them. So why is my spelling atrocious?
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Lunar Groove Gardener



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The theory of multiple intelligences was developed in 1983 by Dr. Howard Gardner, professor of education at Harvard University. It suggests that the traditional notion of intelligence, based on I.Q. testing, is far too limited. Instead, Dr. Gardner proposes eight different intelligences to account for a broader range of human potential in children and adults. These intelligences are:

Linguistic intelligence ("word smart"):

Logical-mathematical intelligence ("number/reasoning smart")

Spatial intelligence ("picture smart")

Bodily-Kinesthetic intelligence ("body smart")

Musical intelligence ("music smart")

Interpersonal intelligence ("people smart")

Intrapersonal intelligence ("self smart")

Naturalist intelligence ("nature smart")
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JMO



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hockeyguy109 wrote:
It's not really an argument. I'm just curious about the phrase. Can anyone please tell me why anyone would say "arts brain". I'm not trying to fight, just please explain why anyone would say that.


Didn't I explain this above or are you actually reading this thread?

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I assume by 'arts' brain you mean english, history and other 'arts' subjects. That is obviously a different meaning from 'artistic'.


'Arts brain' someone who is good at English, history etc
'Artistic brain' someone who is good at art, design etc.
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Rusty Shackleford



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is cool, too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysbZ_j2xi0

A whole lecture series in elementary physics.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Re: How hard can it be? Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
Physics is just math- piece of cake!


Physics is just math until you get to a certain point when things physicists do make mathematicians cringe.

The equation for the strong nuclear force, for example, is unsolvable unless we ignore certain terms that we've observed to be insignificant in the lab. If physics were only math, we wouldn't be able to solve this equation. It's a long-running point of contention between the two fields.
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunar Groove Gardener wrote:
The theory of multiple intelligences was developed in 1983 by Dr. Howard Gardner, professor of education at Harvard University. It suggests that the traditional notion of intelligence, based on I.Q. testing, is far too limited. Instead, Dr. Gardner proposes eight different intelligences to account for a broader range of human potential in children and adults. These intelligences are:

Linguistic intelligence ("word smart"):

Logical-mathematical intelligence ("number/reasoning smart")

Spatial intelligence ("picture smart")

Bodily-Kinesthetic intelligence ("body smart")

Musical intelligence ("music smart")

Interpersonal intelligence ("people smart")

Intrapersonal intelligence ("self smart")

Naturalist intelligence ("nature smart")


Yuppers, and I am one quick trip to the library away from renewing this interesting book I borrowed, “Multiple Intelligences Revisited.” I caught the rundown on what they were in this CELTA course, and they just didn’t jive with my conflict theorist side. It just seemed like a more palatable version of IQ tests, and an easier way to shunt artsy brained people off to the lower levels of society “see how clever you are, but I am sorry to say we can’t afford to employ your kind of clever.”

My argument is people are taught how to learn and present what they have learned through socialization, and MI is just a reflection of their socialization. However, people look at it as an expression of that person’s inherent talent or their biology and pigeon hole them into one learning type for the rest of their lives.

I think MI is useful as a way for teachers to learn how to present knowledge in the classroom (until we get better classrooms), but I think teachers are doing students a huge disservice by trying to identify and essentially pigeon hole a students into intelligence types when really a student might just be representing their favorite receptive skill of the week/day/hour/give the teacher what they want to hear. God, that women aren’t supposed to be left brained was a huge weight off my shoulders- permission to flunk physics, sweet!

I haven’t read the book, yet, but if you google any one article title you’ll probably get a good summary of the main arguments. See if any float you boat:

Joe L. Kincheloe
Twenty-first-Century Questions about Multiple Intelligences

Kathleen Nolan
Te Power of Language: A Critique of the Assumptions and
Pedagogical Implications of Howard Gardner's Concept of Linguistic Intelligence

Yusef Progler
Musical Stupidity and the Reigning Monoculture

Peter Appelbaum
Where Is the Mathematics? Where Are the Mathematicians?

Richard Cary
Howard Gardner's Theory of Visual-Spatial Intelligence:
A Critical Retheorizing

Donald S. Blumenthal Jones
Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence and the Democratic Ideal

Joe L. Kincheloe
Getting Personal: Rethinking Gardner's Personal Intelligences

Marla Morris
The Eighth One: Naturalistic Intelligence

Jay L. Lemke
Multiplying Intelligences: Hypermedia and Social Semiotics

Gaile S. Cannella
Multiple Intelligences in Early Childhood Education:
A Poststructural/Feminist Analysis

Danny Weil
Howard Gardner's Third Way: Toward a Postformal Redefinition of Educational Psychology

Kathleen S. Berry
Multiple Intelligences Are Not What They Seem To Be
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: How hard can it be? Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
aboxofchocolates wrote:
Physics is just math- piece of cake!


Physics is just math until you get to a certain point when things physicists do make mathematicians cringe.

The equation for the strong nuclear force, for example, is unsolvable unless we ignore certain terms that we've observed to be insignificant in the lab. If physics were only math, we wouldn't be able to solve this equation. It's a long-running point of contention between the two fields.


Can you give a nutshell version (use a larger nut than above, please) and a link to the less nutshelly version? Sounds pretty nifty. In return, this riddle:

Around the corner there is a tree.
Under the tree there is a school.
In the school there is a desk.
Behind the desk there is a bell.
Behind the desk is a teacher.

What is her name?
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the teacher's name 'Isabelle'?
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Is the teacher's name 'Isabelle'?


gold star, but now you owe underwater bob one riddle.
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Lunar Groove Gardener



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on.
I like the idea of applying Multiple Intelligence Theories to presenting the same material in numerous ways, with a conscious eye towards which type of learner one form of presentation or another may inspire and connect with.

Eventually such an approach may create an overlap whereby students are exposed to so many methods of taking in and grasping information that they develop other aspects of their own "intelligence", improving their confidence and ability to learn a broader range of things through any number of methods.
Not everyone can do everything at the same level, but we can all benefit from learning in ways which stimulate all of the varied categories of human endeavor.
I've met quite a few very accomplished musicians that seemed to be much more mathematical than artistic...that has always been an interesting overlap to me, because other musicians are purely intuitive and approach mastery of their art from an entirely different perspective, and perhaps create music of a wholly different nature than their more mathematical peers.
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