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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| When buying Apple products, you're paying a premium for the benefits of ease of use and ultra compatibility of its products due to the vertical integration of the business model. |
Apple computers being only able to use Apple software should be seen as a disadvantage, not something one should pay a premium for.
You gotta love Mac-think!!
Everybody knows why people pay 25% more for a Mac which is the same spec as a Windows machine.......for the image. They think being a Mac user is 'cooler' 'smarter' 'different'.........they believed all the marketing that Apple has been doing since the 80's.
Oh, and, BTW, there are no Apple computers anymore.
Apple are just case designers and MP3 player makers now.
They outsource all the internal parts to people like Samsung, Intel, Asus etc.....nothing inside a Mac computer is designed or made by Mac anymore. They only design the nice shiny silver cases that Macheads seem to love so much. |
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canoe_jesuit
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: eamo |
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eamo is on to something but I think ur a little too cynical.
The original apple II had mostly outsourced parts like sony floppy, intel and a slew of other stuff they didn't produce. So I think they haven't strayed far in this area.
The apple computer is worth paying extra for, as the OS is far better than linux or XP. But since you don't see apple unloading ipods for a grossly overpriced amount (same is true with iphone), nothing justifies its computer fees. I mean, Sony small sized notebooks are loaded with features and a graphics card which makes it a much better buy. |
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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, it couldn't be that Apple users buy Macs because they prefer a non-Windows OS. These theories about 'their thinking they're cooler' and 'their thinking they're better' are hyped-up nonsense. I myself don't think I'm any better than a PC-user.
With that said, it's simply based upon preference for a particular OS and, yes, product design and materials. Those are the more salient reasons for people becoming Apple users.
As an Apple user, and former PC-user, I myself considered performance, a strong-back lit LCD screen, laptop weight, design, service/warranty experiences with Apple, and my preferences for software. Add to all of this my past experiences with computing on Windows-based PCs and Apple computers.
PC-users' purchases of PC products are based upon preference, too. Upgradeability, design, cost, performance, a heavy preference for Windows XP/Vista or other OS's, specific software capabilities, gaming, among many other reasons. These also factored into an Apple user's purchases, too, although upgradeability is obviously rather low on the list. Gaming is just fine on an Apple computer if you've bought a unit within the last year and want to play computer games a notch or two below Far Cry.
I own a Lenovo Thinkpad as well. It's rugged, reliable, and serves its purpose. I've built PCs since I was 14, got A+ certified (yeah, I know it was easy, but not everyone had it  ), ran a network at home, used to play Doom over a 14,400 baud modem, and grew up on a Commodore. I switched over to Apple one summer after I bought all my parts for a custom PC and then experienced motherboard incapabilities with my video card. I didn't really like the problems I had with Windows ME/XP compared to Apple's Mac OS (Tiger, at that time). Again, it's all about preference for one's computing experience.
My first Apple was an iBook 12 inch. DHL lost it in the mail when I sent it away for a broken screen, which I had caused by accidentally stepping on it. Apple replaced it for free. Apple also upgraded me to the latest 12 inch Powerbook because of the DHL disaster. After I sold that on Craigslist for a pretty darn good price (Macs get better resale prices despite being last year's model or the year before), I bought a 15 inch Macbook Pro. I had a dead pixel upon arrival. Apple replaced the screen for free. The totality of my experiences had made me an Apple user thus far. This is my story. I have love for all computing users. |
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wangjabyeong
Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
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| When buying Apple products, you're paying a premium for the benefits of ease of use and ultra compatibility of its products due to the vertical integration of the business model. |
Apple computers being only able to use Apple software should be seen as a disadvantage, not something one should pay a premium for.
You gotta love Mac-think!!
Everybody knows why people pay 25% more for a Mac which is the same spec as a Windows machine.......for the image. They think being a Mac user is 'cooler' 'smarter' 'different'.........they believed all the marketing that Apple has been doing since the 80's.
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Apple computers can use other software my friend. i never said it was exclusive. i just said it was more compatible.
And why do people pay $2000 for LV handbags when they can buy a $5 one from the local shop? Why do people buy $100 000 porsches when they can buy a $20 000 corolla?
Image is an integral part of it. Why would you buy computer that has an image/reputation of poor reliability?
And vertical integration has great benefits. Dell doesn't produce OS. Microsoft doesn't produce computers.
You think you are too smart to fall for marketing and advertisement gimmicks? How would you know an apple computer even existed if they didnt market and advertise it? |
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Teddycakes21
Joined: 18 Oct 2009
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I'm going to the apple store @ COEX on Saturday to get my iPod fixed.
Hmm... I was just about to start my next sentence with "iPod", but as an English teacher, this put me in sort of a conundrum. That's a new one.
Anyway, I was just about to say how important it is to have an iPod here at my school. It helps me so much to get through the days. Wireless internet is so great. Mobile mlb.com is so great.
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| When buying Apple products, you're paying a premium for the benefits of ease of use and ultra compatibility of its products due to the vertical integration of the business model. |
Apple computers being only able to use Apple software should be seen as a disadvantage, not something one should pay a premium for.
You gotta love Mac-think!!
Everybody knows why people pay 25% more for a Mac which is the same spec as a Windows machine.......for the image. They think being a Mac user is 'cooler' 'smarter' 'different'.........they believed all the marketing that Apple has been doing since the 80's.
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Apple computers can use other software my friend. i never said it was exclusive. i just said it was more compatible.
And why do people pay $2000 for LV handbags when they can buy a $5 one from the local shop? Why do people buy $100 000 porsches when they can buy a $20 000 corolla?
Image is an integral part of it. Why would you buy computer that has an image/reputation of poor reliability?
And vertical integration has great benefits. Dell doesn't produce OS. Microsoft doesn't produce computers.
You think you are too smart to fall for marketing and advertisement gimmicks? How would you know an apple computer even existed if they didnt market and advertise it? |
I'm smart enough to know that the same spec components are in both Windows and Macs. So why pay more for the Mac? You said it. Image.
You are right though....for some people image is important. I would indeed love a Porsche, but I'm a techie kind of guy, so I would want it for its technical goodies and its performance. Image concerns are well down my list.
I actually have never bought a computer. I've only bought parts and made my own computers. So I've always realized that the name printed on the case is meaningless. All computers are a collection of parts made by various companies based almost exclusively in China and Taiwan. Maybe a few electrical components are still made in Korea and Japan. Not much though.
Some parts may be a better design than others. Not all component designers are equal. And some factories might have a tougher quality control criteria than others. But that's it. So who knows if Apple or anyone else buys the better designed and tested parts? |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Some parts may be a better design than others. Not all component designers are equal. And some factories might have a tougher quality control criteria than others. But that's it. So who knows if Apple or anyone* else buys the better designed and tested parts? |
And who knows if PC users, including you*, buy better designed and tested components than Apple users?
For me, it's not about image. It's roughly about same stuff the guy 3 posts up said. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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eamo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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At the $1000 price level, the Macs don't compare so badly with the PC's.
At the $2000-$3000 level, they don't compare so well. A PC which costs over $2000 will crush a Mac in most spec comparisons.
I'll admit that the mac pricing and value has been getting better recently. Which probably accounts for the slight rise in the market share for Macs. |
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chonga
Joined: 15 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think comparing a Porsche to a Corolla is a fair comparison here. They peform at completely different levels not to mention are of two separate vehicle classes.
I believe the argument, is that under the hood, the $1500 MAC is equivalent to a $600 PC. So I think a fair comparison would be to say that "would you buy a $35,000 Corolla if it was candy white, had an apple logo replacing the toyota and came only in an auto tranny with 3 different options over a $20,000 Corolla that came in many colors, a Toyota emblem, a choice of manual/auto and many options."
I have no bias here, I think both OS have their place and I think it's also good for competition. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| I'll admit that the mac pricing and value has been getting better recently. Which probably accounts for the slight rise in the market share for Macs. |
Probably because they are PCs now. Mac lost the Mac -vs- PC debate when they turned into PCs. |
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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| When buying Apple products, you're paying a premium for the benefits of ease of use and ultra compatibility of its products due to the vertical integration of the business model. |
Apple computers being only able to use Apple software should be seen as a disadvantage, not something one should pay a premium for.
You gotta love Mac-think!!
Everybody knows why people pay 25% more for a Mac which is the same spec as a Windows machine.......for the image. They think being a Mac user is 'cooler' 'smarter' 'different'.........they believed all the marketing that Apple has been doing since the 80's.
Oh, and, BTW, there are no Apple computers anymore.
Apple are just case designers and MP3 player makers now.
They outsource all the internal parts to people like Samsung, Intel, Asus etc.....nothing inside a Mac computer is designed or made by Mac anymore. They only design the nice shiny silver cases that Macheads seem to love so much. |
Well, that's the thing... Apple doesn't just run Apple software anymore. It runs just about any OS you throw at it.
I am a little confused by the reaction of some people on this thread. After having nothing but headaches with the PCs at my school I got my own Macbook pro this year. BTW, Firefox works fine when banking in South Korea. Never had a problem. |
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Hamlet
Joined: 18 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I got my own Macbook pro this year. BTW, Firefox works fine when banking in South Korea. Never had a problem.. |
Are you saying that you successfully use internet banking at a Korean bank with a Macbook Pro running Firefox? If so, which bank do you use? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I absolutely hate those macs ads with the 'pc' guy and the 'mac' guy. So much so, that I am definitely not buying another apple product again. |
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wangjabyeong
Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:14 am Post subject: |
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I don't think comparing a Porsche to a Corolla is a fair comparison here. They peform at completely different levels not to mention are of two separate vehicle classes.
I believe the argument, is that under the hood, the $1500 MAC is equivalent to a $600 PC. So I think a fair comparison would be to say that "would you buy a $35,000 Corolla if it was candy white, had an apple logo replacing the toyota and came only in an auto tranny with 3 different options over a $20,000 Corolla that came in many colors, a Toyota emblem, a choice of manual/auto and many options."
I have no bias here, I think both OS have their place and I think it's also good for competition. |
the comparison was made based on image, not performance. a car, whether it be a 911 or a corolla will get you form A to B. A mac and a PC will both give you access to the internet. |
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