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Pluto
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If anyone's got 81 minutes to kill, Cato just held a forum on the benefits of medical marijuana. It appears many oncologists, cancer doctors, have favored legalizing medical marijuana for years. A lot of good information on marijuana liberalization, although a bit dry.
http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=5302 |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Last time legalization was on the ballot in Cali the union representing prision guards along with alcohol interests dumped big money into a "No on prop xyz" campaign. Lots of money in prohibition. |
I agree. It's disgusting. But 20 years ago nobody thought gays would be getting married in Iowa. It may be decades away, but I believe marijuana will be legal. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Color me cynical.
If pot is made legal, I'll open a shop up as fast as possible. We North Americans will go hogwild for the first few years. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009
Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Color me cynical.
If pot is made legal, I'll open a shop up as fast as possible. We North Americans will go hogwild for the first few years. |
But would we? It's not as if it's hard to get. But then I suppose if you could just drive to a store and buy it, more people would do it regularly. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Somewhat related:
Milton Friedman: The role of the government is to protect the drug cartel.
Interviewer: Is it doing a good job of it?
Milton Friedman: Excellent, what do I mean by that? ...
Free markets are just that, free of violence and coercion. Driving "illicit" drugs underground has made the competition for such commodities very violent. Punchline: liberalize drugs and the violence disappears and the market can work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY&feature=fvw
Milton Friedman paces the blame of the 10,000 murders per year directly on the shoulders of government as opposed to the drug gangs peddling the drugs. Do you agree?
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I was thinking of the Dutch cafe model, which I assume would develop if legalization happened. I believe, without any evidence, that a very large market would develop quickly. |
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ekul
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It won't happen. They tried to do something similar in England with both alcohol and weed. Basically lowered the classification to a class C which meant the police turned a blind eye to people buying and selling, at least on a local level. Now they have raised the classification again to B which means you will be arrested for possession. The reason I guess was the media spouting out that 14 year old children were getting schizophrenia from super strong 'skunk', it's a load of shit really. The mistake the government made though was basically decriminalising it but not legalising and controlling it.
As for alcohol England brought in 24hr drinking in an attempt to grow a cafe culture like the continent, however the generations that have been used to having to go home at 11 for the past 30 years have gone wild. It won't be long until they revoke all the licenses and we see WW3 each weekend at kicking out time. If they had let it run for another 10 years we might see a generation with a different mind set and some positive benefits of letting people drink when they want. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
Somewhat related:
Milton Friedman: The role of the government is to protect the drug cartel.
Interviewer: Is it doing a good job of it?
Milton Friedman: Excellent, what do I mean by that? ...
Free markets are just that, free of violence and coercion. Driving "illicit" drugs underground has made the competition for such commodities very violent. Punchline: liberalize drugs and the violence disappears and the market can work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY&feature=fvw
Milton Friedman paces the blame of the 10,000 murders per year directly on the shoulders of government as opposed to the drug gangs peddling the drugs. Do you agree? |
He is obviously correct. Illegalization of any substance is total madness. Prohibition not only doesn't work, it makes the problem worse. The government would get much better results by allowing regulated, taxed sale of marijuana (and any other such substance).
Drug cartels would either vanish or become legitimate businesses if legalization occured. Either is acceptable. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ekul wrote: |
It won't happen. They tried to do something similar in England with both alcohol and weed. Basically lowered the classification to a class C which meant the police turned a blind eye to people buying and selling, at least on a local level. Now they have raised the classification again to B which means you will be arrested for possession. The reason I guess was the media spouting out that 14 year old children were getting schizophrenia from super strong 'skunk', it's a load of shit really. The mistake the government made though was basically decriminalising it but not legalising and controlling it.
As for alcohol England brought in 24hr drinking in an attempt to grow a cafe culture like the continent, however the generations that have been used to having to go home at 11 for the past 30 years have gone wild. It won't be long until they revoke all the licenses and we see WW3 each weekend at kicking out time. If they had let it run for another 10 years we might see a generation with a different mind set and some positive benefits of letting people drink when they want. |
I'm sure legalization and regulation would work out better (socially and economically for all parties involved) than decriminalization, although I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the possibility for decriminalization success:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/24/un-backs-drug-decriminali_n_220013.html
I think the outrage against reversing progress on cannabis legislation in our country at this point in history would greatly outweigh the sensationalism of loosely associated psychiatry scares. I know, the history mostly doesn't bode well for my prediction, but anecdotally I've seen a major shift in how cannabis has been perceived in recent years to where it's much less socially acceptable to take a stance in support of continued prohibition without at least explaining yourself and making some concessions.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, the individual state decriminalization measures have all gone really well so far, as have informal movements to redirect p | |
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