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Street Magic
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| bacasper wrote: |
You are aware, are you not, that the US incarcerates its citizens at a higher rate than any country in the world (at least those for which we have figures), and its blacks at a rate higher than that of apartheid
South Africa?
Errors in the justice system are numerous and include the death penalty which has often been wrongfully applied. |
Way more true than most care to know.
| Justice Stewart wrote: |
| For, of all the people convicted of rapes and murders in 1967 and 1968, [n11] many just as reprehensible as these, the petitioners are among a capriciously [p310] selected random handful upon whom the sentence of death has in fact been imposed. [n12] My concurring Brothers have demonstrated that, if any basis can be discerned for the selection of these few to be sentenced to die, it is the constitutionally impermissible basis of race. |
The previous concurring opinion quote came from Furman v. Georgia, the case which set the precedent for the death penalty's constitutional impermissibility back in '72, taken from the following source:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0408_0238_ZC2.html |
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm an American living in America right now. I will be going back to Korea very soon. I spent the summer here and people around here are WACKED! I don't know what they have been putting in the kool-aid but it's affecting their minds. Just this summer in the Portland metro area there was:
Lady tried to cut a baby out of a 9 mo. pregnant lady (both died)
Mom threw 2 kids off Portland area bridge to keep them from going to live at their fathers house (3 yo died, 11 yo survived)
More bank robberies than the L.A. area
Father put electric dog collar around kids and zapped them for fun (ages 3-11)
Numerous pedifilia (sp?) cases
Dog poisoning at local park (keep those dogs leashed or they might eat rat poison steak hidden in the bushes)
Dude blew off his hand making homemade fireworks (father of 4 kids)
It was a moral/common sense busting summer in Stumptown, Oregon. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Should I compile a list for you of horrible crimes committed in Korea the last 12 months? It wouldn't be difficult. Rapes of children, murders of children, I remember several stories of people killing their parents and entire families. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quack Addict wrote: |
I'm an American living in America right now. I will be going back to Korea very soon. I spent the summer here and people around here are WACKED! I don't know what they have been putting in the kool-aid but it's affecting their minds. Just this summer in the Portland metro area there was:
Lady tried to cut a baby out of a 9 mo. pregnant lady (both died)
Mom threw 2 kids off Portland area bridge to keep them from going to live at their fathers house (3 yo died, 11 yo survived)
More bank robberies than the L.A. area
Father put electric dog collar around kids and zapped them for fun (ages 3-11)
Numerous pedifilia (sp?) cases
Dog poisoning at local park (keep those dogs leashed or they might eat rat poison steak hidden in the bushes)
Dude blew off his hand making homemade fireworks (father of 4 kids)
It was a moral/common sense busting summer in Stumptown, Oregon. |
It's bad around here too. There are several bank robberies in Knoxville each week and some of them are bank branches I use. There are meth lab explosions all the time. There are violent home invasions (home liberations, in GOP speak). A worker at a fast food joint was robbed and murdered the other day right across the street from a coin store where I shop at regularly. I've never eaten at that restaurant, but I went in a few months ago to take a leak. It's only a matter of time before that coin store gets knocked off and the dealer gets messed up, except he lets a cop sell coins at a table in his store now. A coin store nearby was robbed and the dealers were assaulted. I shop there a lot. At the largest mall in Knoxville, an employee at a men's clothing store was murdered while I was in the mall. I heard it was over something trivial, like the suit not fitting right or something.
There have been a lot of carjackings. The worst one was where a young couple was carjacked and taken to a residence. The male was raped by several men in front of his girlfriend, they cut off his genitals, took him to the railroad tracks, and shot him. They kept his girlfriend alive for three days, repeatedly raping her in all three holes and cut off her breasts. They finally poured bleach in her in an attempt to destroy the evidence. Then they stuffed her in a trash can where she suffocated. I don't understand how there can even be several like-minded people who would get together and do that to other human beings.
I always go around armed, except when I go inside Neyland Stadium, the basketball arena, or the airport. One of my friends was staying in the Four Points Sheraton that Peyton Manning partially owns and was walking back from a basketball game earlier this year. A dude came out of the parking garage right there beside the Sheraton and pulled a knife on him. My friend pulled out his gun and told the guy, "One more step and I don't know if you're going upstairs or downstairs, but that's your problem not mine."  |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| 5th dumbest thread in the past 2 months. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| 5th dumbest thread in the past 2 months. |
Musta been a good one two months ago. What was it? |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Please understand, death penalty is American culture.
I have no problem with the death penalty as it is used. I would prefer that it were more expedient, as death row individuals are expensive pets.
Some people need killing. It's just the way it is. A civilized society cannot tolerate such great evil. The two cannot co-exist over time. They will affect one another, and likely it is the evil that affects the good. Besides, there is no sense leaving them to rot in a cell if they will never leave.
In reference to the point above, what is your point? America is not perfect? Well, I'll be damned. I thought it was.
America can be a dangerous place. Americans have the inalienable human right to become dangerous. When a people fixated upon the notion of justice and the ability to mightily defend themselves against violence meet violent people, the incarceration rate goes through the roof. It's pretty difficult to flee the scene with a gut full of buckshot.
God bless America  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
| Please understand, death penalty is American culture. |
No, it's not. My home state of Wisconsin does not partake in the death penalty. Are you saying we don't partake in American culture?
| .38 Special wrote: |
| Some people need killing. It's just the way it is. |
Even if this were true -- which I do not grant -- the fact is the justice system is not infallible. The risk of executing the innocent is omnipresent, and unlike other forms of punishment, the death penalty cannot be ended and compensated for should the individual in question later be proven innocent.
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| A civilized society cannot tolerate such great evil. |
A civilized society cannot tolerate such great evil as the government executing it's citizens. This is why my civilized state abolished it. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Should I compile a list for you of horrible crimes committed in Korea the last 12 months? It wouldn't be difficult. Rapes of children, murders of children, I remember several stories of people killing their parents and entire families. |
I think you might find Korea has a very low violent crime rate in its own right, but particularly compared to the US |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure, but open a newspaper. It's not hard to cherry-pick a few horrible stories there either. |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Location: earth
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
There have been a lot of carjackings. The worst one was where a young couple was carjacked and taken to a residence. The male was raped by several men in front of his girlfriend, they cut off his genitals, took him to the railroad tracks, and shot him. They kept his girlfriend alive for three days, repeatedly raping her in all three holes and cut off her breasts. They finally poured bleach in her in an attempt to destroy the evidence. Then they stuffed her in a trash can where she suffocated. I don't understand how there can even be several like-minded people who would get together and do that to other human beings.
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that was in 2007, not quite a recent event. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems recent to me, especially since the trial is happening now. The 2008 shooting at the mall seems recent too. Actually, it wasn't that long ago when I was a college student in Knoxville in the mid 90s, but crimes like these didn't seem to happen back then. And just the other day, three of UT's best freshmen on the football team were arrested for armed robbery. All three of them had the potential to play in the NFL and make millions of dollars per year, but they blew it. Unreal. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
| When a people fixated upon the notion of justice and the ability to mightily defend themselves against violence meet violent people, the incarceration rate goes through the roof. |
WTF are you talking about? The number of people in prison for crimes committed in self-defense is practically negligible. |
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