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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"I cannot understand why not everyone here speaks Korean fluently. It is the easiest language in the world. It only took me 6 months to be fluent."


Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad Wink
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I call bullcrap on that last quote. U can't be fluent in Korean in 6 months even if you were studying 24 hours a day. It takes at a minimum 2 years(more like 5-7) to be fully fluent.

I wouldn't consider anyone fluent until basically the are pretty much the same as the native population.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

There are physical limitations to how fast a person can learn.

I would guess at my rate, 3 years to near-fluency.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always wanted to do a few tests on a group of people. One would be a group of English speakers that don't know any Korean, another would be a group of Japanese speakers, and another would be a group of European language speakers that are fluent in Japanese. Get them to live in Korea and make them go to school full-time, and provide them tutoring and so on afterwards to give them complete immersion. Only give them about an hour a day to write home and so on, and no time to hang out with speakers of their language. I wonder how long it would take? I assume

1.5 - 3 years for the first group
8 months - 2 years for the second, and
6 months - 1.5 years for the third...

that would be fun to be part of an experiment like that though.
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman,

Get a pronunciation coach and practice, practice practice!

My level is beginner, but my pronunciation is pretty good. I read paragraphs over and over to my girl and she corrects my pronunciation errors on the spot.

Do it and you will prosper! Laughing
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I call bullcrap on that last quote. U can't be fluent in Korean in 6 months even if you were studying 24 hours a day. It takes at a minimum 2 years(more like 5-7) to be fully fluent.

I wouldn't consider anyone fluent until basically the are pretty much the same as the native population.


That quote was sarcasm. I am agreeing with your point. Rolling Eyes
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I call bullcrap on that last quote. U can't be fluent in Korean in 6 months even if you were studying 24 hours a day. It takes at a minimum 2 years(more like 5-7) to be fully fluent.

I wouldn't consider anyone fluent until basically the are pretty much the same as the native population.


Negative. Everybody learns at a different rate and studying/practicing for 24 hours a day would bring a person of average language learning ability to an advanced level of language ability. One year (based on your 24 hour-a-day principal) would bring someone to a superior level (level as illustrated on the ACTFL scale).

However, because nobody can practice/study 24 hours a day, I would agree that it would take a minimum of two years for an astute student with a very different L1 to learn Korean to an advanced level of fluency. A student who is fluent in a Korean-similar L2 already could do it much more quickly.
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I call bullcrap on that last quote. U can't be fluent in Korean in 6 months even if you were studying 24 hours a day. It takes at a minimum 2 years(more like 5-7) to be fully fluent.

I wouldn't consider anyone fluent until basically the are pretty much the same as the native population.


Depends on your definition of fleunt... Personally I consider myself at intermediate level, whereas my professor tried to convince me I was at an advanced level. Also are you comparing fleuncy between foreigners or compared to Koreans... compared to Koreans it takes a really long time to become fleunt.

In terms of Japanese, their grammar being similar to that of Korean allows them to learn the language quickly. However it does sweet f all for their pronunciation. In my experiences Japanese, Chinese and Russians have some of the worst Korean pronunciation.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
just because wrote:
I call bullcrap on that last quote. U can't be fluent in Korean in 6 months even if you were studying 24 hours a day. It takes at a minimum 2 years(more like 5-7) to be fully fluent.

I wouldn't consider anyone fluent until basically the are pretty much the same as the native population.


That quote was sarcasm. I am agreeing with your point. Rolling Eyes
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The people who have a native Korean speaker around 24-7 are at a distinct advantage when it comes to picking up the subtleties of pronunciation. Can't get that out of a textbook.
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
kangnamdragon wrote:
just because wrote:
I call bullcrap on that last quote. U can't be fluent in Korean in 6 months even if you were studying 24 hours a day. It takes at a minimum 2 years(more like 5-7) to be fully fluent.

I wouldn't consider anyone fluent until basically the are pretty much the same as the native population.


That quote was sarcasm. I am agreeing with your point. Rolling Eyes


I did catch that.... wasnt referring to it in particular though Rolling Eyes
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok...........I was referring to people who say they have learned Korean so quickly...then brag about it and try to make others think they are better..........some people speak Korean well but dont' brag about it
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a person like that.

Been here for over 2 years and basically can't read a thing and he can put some basic sayings and crude things together.

He tells everyone how good he is at Korean(these are people who have been here 2 weeks with wonder in their eyes) so i usually start talking to him in basic Korean(and my Korean in my opinion is pretty average) and he goes something like "oh..I'll talk later".
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit off the topic, but a budy of mine put an add on the Pusan webb looking for a part time job. In his add though he said that he had studied Korean for a year at Dangook university, and he has since been inundated with offers of work.

I might change my add to read " I have a good knowledge of "Korean". It's on the same page as my buddies, but I only recieved 2 calls in 2 months
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I know a person like that.

Been here for over 2 years and basically can't read a thing and he can put some basic sayings and crude things together.

He tells everyone how good he is at Korean(these are people who have been here 2 weeks with wonder in their eyes) so i usually start talking to him in basic Korean(and my Korean in my opinion is pretty average) and he goes something like "oh..I'll talk later".


haha that's FUNNY Laughing
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