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Kuros
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| But I'm sure there are some children in that 15% who have suffered for their wards' failures. |
Yes. It is true. Nothing can really be done about it either. A quarter of the population is less intelligent than the upper 3/4. This is just a fact of life. It sucks. Some people (lots) are not able to care for themselves or their offspring with any sense of future. The poorly raised kids from my elementary school at home are now doing a poor job raising their own kids. And so on. |
I had no idea you were such a tight-a#$%d Puritan who believes the poor are poor because they deserve it. The money boys wreck the world economy and pop loses his job as a result, so the family is responsible for the lack of food on their table. Hmmmm. |
C'mon. I believe mises has said before that he believes in human dignity and that he wants to hold people in a certain minimal standard of living.
Anyway, I wanted to add this to the thread, which tries to address the psychology of poverty.
How Poverty Works: http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/10/how_poverty_work.php
Food. We need Food. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=3365
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The Feds Feed the Children
The Agriculture Secretary was promoting his department�s new hunger (or, in contemporary parlance: �food insecurity�) survey on CSPAN this morning, and promising to expand the federal government�s role in feeding children. We do a good job with school lunches and breakfasts, Secretary Tom Vilsak said, but in the summer months, when kids are out of school, we need more centralized locations to give them their breakfasts and lunches.
Is it really the case that a minimally competent mother (we won�t even contemplate fathers here) in this fabulously wealthy country where food is so cheap cannot give her child a healthy breakfast in the morning? Granted, doing so at low cost entails shopping for food low on the processing chain and, horrors of horrors, actually cooking it. A portion of rolled oats in a large discount container costs pennies and takes five minutes to cook. Too onerous? I know that there is a shortage of decent supermarkets and fresh food in the inner city, a result of low demand and high crime. (Actually, there�s not a decent supermarket in all of New York City.) But a little planning should be able to overcome that shortage by occasional trips to someplace where you can buy in bulk. Here�s a test of whether someone is really suffering from hunger or even just �food insecurity�: Are you willing to cook legumes for a few hours? If not, you�re not starving and have no claim on the public purse.
If such minimal foresight and involvement is beyond the reach of a mother, she obviously shouldn�t have had a child in the first place, and now that it�s too late, maybe should not have custody. Of course the feds, ever eager to expand their reach, are not going to point that out. But the more that the government acts as a surrogate parent, the less parental responsibility we will get. |
"minimally competent mother (we won�t even contemplate fathers here)".. Excellent. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Yeah, there's totally not a food problem in America, right now anyway.
In my town, with the exception of one apartment complex, everyone has at least a front yard and often plenty of acreage. Even in the housing projects, everyone has a spacious yard. But if the rate of people on food stamps in America is 11%, I would bet that it's at least 25% in my impoverished area in Appalachia. It seems like it's a rare occurance to even stand in line behind someone at the grocery store who isn't paying with food stamps.
But back to the lawns. I never see anyone in the housing projects doing any gardening. There are quite of few people in my town with a garden and they're probably not the ones using food stamps. With the exception of the elderly and the disabled (and no, the Attention Deficit Disorder people don't count), everyone should be able to grow enough food to survive. Yet, it seems like the elderly are the ones who garden the most while young unemployed people would rather just buy Doritos and Oreos by using other people's money, also known as food stamps.
It benefits me personally, because somebody has to grow the food and I love growing plants and my pay is basically indirectly subsidized via the food stamp program. But it's so horrible for America that things are this way.
Growing food to survive really is "so easy a caveman can do it" and they actually did. Otherwise, they would've died and mankind wouldn't exist. Yet here we are in 2009 A.D. with our public school system, but some of us are way too dumb and lazy to put food in our mouths without help. It makes total sense for gainfully employed people to buy their food instead of growing it, but there's no excuse for so many unemployed people to sit around on the couch getting fat on Oreos and Doritos bought with other people's money and not even make any attempt whatsoever to grow some food themselves.
It's just part of our entitlement mentality where an X percentage of our population thinks they deserve food without doing anything. Picking up a mattock or getting their hands dirty would violate their human rights.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| But I'm sure there are some children in that 15% who have suffered for their wards' failures. |
Yes. It is true. Nothing can really be done about it either. A quarter of the population is less intelligent than the upper 3/4. This is just a fact of life. It sucks. Some people (lots) are not able to care for themselves or their offspring with any sense of future. The poorly raised kids from my elementary school at home are now doing a poor job raising their own kids. And so on. |
I had no idea you were such a tight-a#$%d Puritan who believes the poor are poor because they deserve it. The money boys wreck the world economy and pop loses his job as a result, so the family is responsible for the lack of food on their table. Hmmmm. |
C'mon. I believe mises has said before that he believes in human dignity and that he wants to hold people in a certain minimal standard of living.
Anyway, I wanted to add this to the thread, which tries to address the psychology of poverty.
How Poverty Works: http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/10/how_poverty_work.php
Food. We need Food. |
C'mon yourself. Food is rationed just like health care is rationed--the insurance company death panels ensure that the wealthy get it and those without insurance do without. Same same. One is just a bit faster than the other.
As Chrystal (yes, she was blonde) said, "Well if people are poor, why don't they get off their $#% and get a job?" |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Those maps speak volumes. People who have to part with their own money to eat tend to stay slim while people who buy food with other people's money show no restraint, pig out, and get fat. Why should they stop eating when it's "free"?  |
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