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caniff
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If this isn't racist, then I guess I really don't know what wouldn't be. |
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Kuros
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Ya-ta Boy
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I agree about Iran, but soft power is at least as limited as hard power.
The Chinese who were not alive or simply to young for Tiananmen are just giddy on China's rise. I'm sorry to say they're almost all extremely politically naive. And the Chinese who came of age during the Cultural Revolution are basically drones, there's little hope for them as a group. That leaves a gap of about a decade, a Tiananmen generation, who is skeptical of the government. (There are also the descendants of the KMG families, but they are not numerous enough).
Also, China is not yet ready for a democracy, which is usually a necessary precursor to civil rights.
I can't see past the coming economic collapse in China, anyway, but I'm not optimistic for any sort of civil rights reform. |
You seem as pessimistic as a Chinese coal miner. I don't presume to know much about internal Chinese politics; I confine myself to Chinese Lit. I will note that there seems to be a libertarian bent for predicting economic collapses. (Personal prediction: The Chinese economy is safe until I start investing in it. I have an uncanny knack for bringing on economic doom.) |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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I agree about Iran, but soft power is at least as limited as hard power.
The Chinese who were not alive or simply to young for Tiananmen are just giddy on China's rise. I'm sorry to say they're almost all extremely politically naive. And the Chinese who came of age during the Cultural Revolution are basically drones, there's little hope for them as a group. That leaves a gap of about a decade, a Tiananmen generation, who is skeptical of the government. (There are also the descendants of the KMG families, but they are not numerous enough).
Also, China is not yet ready for a democracy, which is usually a necessary precursor to civil rights.
I can't see past the coming economic collapse in China, anyway, but I'm not optimistic for any sort of civil rights reform. |
You seem as pessimistic as a Chinese coal miner. I don't presume to know much about internal Chinese politics; I confine myself to Chinese Lit. I will note that there seems to be a libertarian bent for predicting economic collapses. (Personal prediction: The Chinese economy is safe until I start investing in it. I have an uncanny knack for bringing on economic doom.) |
Well, its kind of a consensus that China is headed for an economic downturn.
Here's the usually optimistic Jack Perkowski: Clouds on the Horizon
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Now for the clouds, which generally fall into four categories: spotty demand, inflation, profitability, and future growth.
Growth has not been universal in 2009. Unlike in years past, a rising tide has not lifted all boats, making it more important than ever to correctly analyze the near and long-term prospects for individual sectors of the Chinese economy. The obvious soft spot has been in exports. Companies that have relied on exports in the past for growth are clearly having a difficult time in 2009. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Michael believes that the world needs to prepare for a period when �if all goes well, China grows at a still respectable but much lower rate of 5-7 per cent.� |
5-7% growth is collapse? Is collapse another of those words, like left/right that libertarians have redefined? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Michael believes that the world needs to prepare for a period when �if all goes well, China grows at a still respectable but much lower rate of 5-7 per cent.� |
5-7% growth is collapse? Is collapse another of those words, like left/right that libertarians have redefined? |
Don't forget failure and Socialism, too. Libertarians really need to just make their own dictionary. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Michael believes that the world needs to prepare for a period when �if all goes well, China grows at a still respectable but much lower rate of 5-7 per cent.� |
5-7% growth is collapse? Is collapse another of those words, like left/right that libertarians have redefined? |
Don't forget failure and Socialism, too. Libertarians really need to just make their own dictionary. |
I know your comment has something to do with China-US relations in some way, Fox . . . |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Michael believes that the world needs to prepare for a period when �if all goes well, China grows at a still respectable but much lower rate of 5-7 per cent.� |
5-7% growth is collapse? Is collapse another of those words, like left/right that libertarians have redefined? |
When the world (and China) has come to expect China to grow at least 7% a year, it does pose a problem when China doesn't reach that level. It is a matter of expectations, not that 5-7% in itself is "collapse" or bad by any means. As the author said, it is "still respectable". |
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mises
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: Obama's masterstroke in action |
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Fallows updates us on the effect of what looks like a masterstroke bargain between Obama and China.
If you don't wish to go to the link, it reports that Russia and China have joined to censure Iran's nuclear program. That would be the same China that supplies and has fostered Iran's nuclear program.
Not bad, Obama. |
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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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Would democracy in China be that great? Look at the rest of East Asia -
Japan: Until recently was a one-party state
Korea, Taiwan: People famously vote along regional lines
Hong Kong, Singapore: Ha
I'm thinking about the effect on non-Asians here, which presumably we are here. |
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