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Lunar Groove Gardener
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| 32% of all statistics are made up. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| Loudog wrote: |
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| Why is that "sickening". There is no global food shortage. Food is cheap. Don't be emotional. |
Yeah, tell that to all those Ethiopian kids. |
We try to feed the world. We give far more than enough. During the Ethiopian famine, there were warehouses full of grain that ended up rotting. African governments are so incompetent that they can't perform even the most elementary of tasks. It has nothing to do with the big bad US and food waste. Africa should be able to feed herself. Speaking of, whatever happened to the breadbasket in Zimbabwe? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Loudog wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Why is that "sickening". There is no global food shortage. Food is cheap. Don't be emotional. |
Yeah, tell that to all those Ethiopian kids. |
We try to feed the world. We give far more than enough. During the Ethiopian famine, there were warehouses full of grain that ended up rotting. African governments are so incompetent that they can't perform even the most elementary of tasks. It has nothing to do with the big bad US and food waste. Africa should be able to feed herself. Speaking of, whatever happened to the breadbasket in Zimbabwe? |
It really is pretty much time to just let Africa sink or swim. I have a lot of compassion for people unlucky enough to be born there, and I want to help them, but food and financial aid doesn't seem to be doing that. Food is not difficult to create, and the conditions exist for sufficient food production in these countries. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
Here is my solution. Start off by having the fat removed from the obese people. Then, have the removed fat get processed into biofuel. Sale the biofuel whose proceeds will subsidize the original liposuction.  |
 Too funny. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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ALL of Africa should sink or swim? THE WHOLE CONTINENT?
That's a bit harsh, don't you think?
Some African nations, the ones that refuse to settle down and warring amongst their own peoples, they may need a little tough love, that's true. But many of them have moved away from the sort of lawlessness that leads to having supply trucks blown up and children starving to death as they wait for relief that never arrives. When they do this, we cannot stand by. We must feed and educate the children. Only when we do this, will they ever rise up out of poverty, and when we don't do this, we get things like 911.
(Thomas Friedman talks about these things a lot and I'm a fan) |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
ALL of Africa should sink or swim? THE WHOLE CONTINENT?
That's a bit harsh, don't you think? |
No, I don't. An entire continent is more than enough landmass for self-sufficiency. If you've literally got an entire continent of people who can't survive without external aid, something is wrong.
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| When they do this, we cannot stand by. We must feed and educate the children. Only when we do this, will they ever rise up out of poverty, and when we don't do this, we get things like 911. |
They'll rise up out of poverty when they create a working economy of their own. That's not something you can be handed. We've been trying to do things as you describe, and it really hasn't worked from what I can see. These people need to form effective governments of their own; everything else will follow from that. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
| We must feed and educate the children. Only when we do this, will they ever rise up out of poverty, and when we don't do this, we get things like 911. |
"We" must?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate
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UN Ranking ↓ Country ↓ Fertility rate
(2000-2005)
(births/woman) ↓ Fertility rate
(2005-2010)
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1 Niger 7.45 7.19
2 Guinea-Bissau 7.10 7.07
3 Afghanistan 7.48 7.07
4 Burundi 6.80 6.80
5 Liberia 6.80 6.77
6 Democratic Republic of the Congo 6.70 6.70
7 East Timor 6.96 6.53
8 Mali 6.70 6.52
9 Sierra Leone 6.50 6.47
10 Uganda 6.75 6.46
11 Angola 6.75 6.43
12 Chad 6.54 6.20
13 Somalia 6.43 6.04
14 Burkina Faso 6.36 6.00
15 Rwanda 6.01 5.92
16 Malawi 6.03 5.59
17 Yemen 6.02 5.50
18 Guinea 5.84 5.44
19 Benin 5.87 5.42
20 Equatorial Guinea 5.64 5.36
21 Nigeria 5.85 5.32
22 Ethiopia 5.78 5.29
23 Zambia 5.65 5.18
24 Tanzania 5.66 5.16
25 Mozambique 5.52 5.11
26 Palestinian territories 5.63 5.09
27 Eritrea 5.53 5.05
28 Kenya 5.00 4.96
29 Togo 5.37 4.80
30 Madagascar 5.28 4.78
31 Gambia 5.16 4.70
32 Senegal 5.22 4.69
33 Central African Republic 4.96 4.58
34 Republic of the Congo 4.78 4.49 |
They need fewer babies. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
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| Here is my solution. Start off by having the fat removed from the obese people. Then, have the removed fat get processed into biofuel. Sale the biofuel whose proceeds will subsidize the original liposuction. |
Too funny. |
Not only will this help improve peoples' health and provide more energy in the form of biofuel, it will also improve the average gas mileage. Flight prices could also come down for similar reasons. After all, it takes less energy to transport people who weigh less. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty freaking sure if AMERICA tosses 40% of its food, Korea tosses 80% no lie. All those side dishes in the trash, all the kids and co-workers who don't finish school lunch... |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:06 am Post subject: |
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I know I toss a fair bit of food. Food goes bad. I throw it out. When I cook, I usually make enough for a meal and don't usually have leftovers. If I buy produce, bread, meat or any other perishables, though, it's quite difficult to buy the exactly right amount of each one. I don't recall ever being able to buy 3/4 of an onion. I love onions, but I'm not going to eat one as a meal just to conserve food.
And then there's the crappy zen question "Why do hot dogs come in packages of ten while buns come in packages of eight?" I've also never found a good cereal to milk ratio when buying. If I buy enough milk to cover the whole box of cereal, the milk will go bad by the time I finish it.
If you hippies want to hold on to your rotting perishables and make a mini organic farm on your balconies, go for it. I however, will let the 400 won go to waste and dump it. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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What do you expect us to do - put all our leftovers in a box and mail it to Africa?
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My fifth grade teacher used this logic when we talked about food. "Should I put that half eaten BigMac into a box and ship it to Africa with your leftover fries?" I loved that guy. |
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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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| That's a dubious avatar there nathan. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeonmunka wrote: |
| That's a dubious avatar there nathan. |
Trust me, once you spoon a drunk man for a photo, you just KNOW you have to use them. |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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It is absolutely wonderful that Americans can waste so much food. Isn't it a sign of the fabulous success of the American experiment?
We are all contributing to this thread just after Thanksgiving and just before Christmas. These are the holidays of the producers. Those of us who make a contribution to the community. We are teachers.
Let's give us all a toast with the very best of wine or soju or baiju or whatever we are drinking. Let's all give a toast to the very best, the very finest civilization that the world has ever seen. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| beck's wrote: |
It is absolutely wonderful that Americans can waste so much food. Isn't it a sign of the fabulous success of the American experiment?
We are all contributing to this thread just after Thanksgiving and just before Christmas. These are the holidays of the producers. Those of us who make a contribution to the community. We are teachers.
Let's give us all a toast with the very best of wine or soju or baiju or whatever we are drinking. Let's all give a toast to the very best, the very finest civilization that the world has ever seen. |
Nah, let's give a toast to those starving Africans and their wonderful systems, systems that don't ensure domestic tranquility, systems that don't allow them to build dams and levys and canals, systems that don't ensure their property rights, systems that rob and rape them of the fruits of their labor. Let's give a toast to child soldiers who steal the West's gifts of food for their corrupt masters (with a little thrown in for themselves, of course). How about a toast to the countries that develop nuclear weapons instead of sustainable farming practices? A rowdy three cheers for those wonderful despots who know how to run the lives of their subjects better than the subjects themselves! Maybe a... a eff it, if you don't get the picture by now...  |
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