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guava
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Yes, it was fairly silly of you to refuse to explain why you felt Kennedy and Nixon were worth bringing up. |
I explained (without disparaging anyone) in the post preceding yours. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| guava wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
Yes, it was fairly silly of you to refuse to explain why you felt Kennedy and Nixon were worth bringing up. |
I explained (without disparaging anyone) in the post preceding yours. |
No, you didn't. You said there was a parallel between them (which was obvious from your initial post anyway, so doesn't involve stating anything new). That in and of itself isn't particularly meaningful. There are plenty of parallel situations to almost anything that could be discussed, and we generally don't bring them up. What matters is what makes the parallel relevant. You say Nixon and Kennedy is a parallel situation. Okay. There is a parallel, therefore... what? I don't believe you were just pointing out a fun fact about history here, but you seem unwilling to make your point in a prominent and committed fashion. |
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Pluto
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if we are going to make comparisons to Vietnam, or the Kennedy/Nixon and Bush/Obama Comparisons ( a very large stretch in my imagination), I would just follow Occam's razor. The simplest answer is just to leave. It's hard for me to see how Afghanistan would be any different in 2011 from today. The same thing with Vietnam. We stayed until 1972 and the North invaded anyway. Vietnam, to this day, remains communist. Likewise, I don't see the people Afghanistan shedding its Islamic philosophy.
The comparison is a stretch, a long one. Still, my conclusion would be the same in 1969 like 2009. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see the people Afghanistan shedding its Islamic philosophy. |
I don't think Obama's goal is to stop Afghanistan being Muslim (like stopping Vietnam being Communist). Instead it's simply to bring to justice the perpetrators of 9/11. The fact Obama's given up on democratic change shows he's more interested simply in Bin Laden and that he's willing to allow Afghanistan to go down whatever path it wants once the U.S. gets its man. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see the people Afghanistan shedding its Islamic philosophy. |
I don't think Obama's goal is to stop Afghanistan being Muslim (like stopping Vietnam being Communist). Instead it's simply to bring to justice the perpetrators of 9/11. |
I think we've spent enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal. More precisely, I think we've wasted enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal; resources which would have been far better used directly improving national security. |
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Reggie
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guava
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: |
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I think we've spent enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal. More precisely, I think we've wasted enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal; resources which would have been far better used directly improving national security. |
Bush and Obama are directly related to the topic of the thread, while the expenditure of national resources is not.
As such, I wonder why you felt the need to bring it up, and I hope you clarify your motivation.
I don't believe you were just pointing out a fun fact about history here, but you seem unwilling to make your point in a prominent and committed fashion.
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| guava wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| I think we've spent enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal. More precisely, I think we've wasted enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal; resources which would have been far better used directly improving national security. |
Bush and Obama are directly related to the topic of the thread, while the expenditure of national resources are not.
As such, I wondered why you felt the need to bring them up, and I was hoping you'd clarify your motivation.
I don't believe you were just pointing out a fun fact about history here, but you seem unwilling to make your point in a prominent and committed fashion. |
I disagree. Both Bush and Obama are using the pretext of 9/11 to divert national resources to the same imperial wars, resources better spent at home, so, yes, that is directly related to the topic of this thread. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| guava wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| I think we've spent enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal. More precisely, I think we've wasted enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal; resources which would have been far better used directly improving national security. |
Bush and Obama are directly related to the topic of the thread, while the expenditure of national resources are not.
As such, I wondered why you felt the need to bring them up, and I was hoping you'd clarify your motivation.
I don't believe you were just pointing out a fun fact about history here, but you seem unwilling to make your point in a prominent and committed fashion. |
I disagree. Both Bush and Obama are using the pretext of 9/11 to divert national resources to the same imperial wars, resources better spent at home, so, yes, that is directly related to the topic of this thread. |
Precisely. |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| I disagree. |
I neither approve nor disapprove of your disagreement. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| guava wrote: |
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| I disagree. |
I neither approve nor disapprove of your disagreement. |
No one has sought either your approval or disapproval. But I disapprove of your failure to enter into a meaningful dialogue with insubstantial retorts. If you are just going to crap on my thread, take your silly games elsewhere. |
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guava
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| guava wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
Yes, it was fairly silly of you to refuse to explain why you felt Kennedy and Nixon were worth bringing up. |
I explained (without disparaging anyone) in the post preceding yours. |
No, you didn't. |
I explained precisely.
The problem involves the fact that my explanation is beyond your level of comprehension.
Its not my problem. I hope you get help with your problem. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| RufusW wrote: |
| Pluto wrote: |
| I don't see the people Afghanistan shedding its Islamic philosophy. |
I don't think Obama's goal is to stop Afghanistan being Muslim (like stopping Vietnam being Communist). Instead it's simply to bring to justice the perpetrators of 9/11. |
I think we've spent enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal. More precisely, I think we've wasted enough of our nation's resources on pursuit of that goal; resources which would have been far better used directly improving national security. |
I agree.
Even if Obama could bring peace and democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq and drag bin Laden through the streets of New York whilst riding a white and pink unicorn I would still say you paid to much. The best plan is to just cut the losses and march right on out of there. |
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wesharris
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Quit your cheeping already. You aren't a bird. I warned you all, you didn't listen. Now deal with it, hippies. |
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guava
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| wesharris wrote: |
| Quit your cheeping already. You aren't a bird. I warned you all, you didn't listen. Now deal with it, hippies. |
Precisely. |
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