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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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"You're very popular around here, Ya-Ta." Yes, it would seem so. What surprises me is how unpopular common sense has become. Methinks more than one have been mistaking Faux News for reality again.
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And yet how can he do less and not be punished during mid-terms?
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I don't think Obama is overly-aware of polls and next year's elections. I really think he's trying to do the statesmanlike thing and govern for the best of the country, as he sees it. He is very clearly trying to govern from the center--see his Afghanistan policy, failure to do anything about DADT and continual harping about bipartisanship.
He's not interested in imposing any idealistic, crack-brained 19th Century economic model on the country. He knows we tried it, it failed and the country demanded a change (see any history of the Progressive Era).
As I see it, he has made two mistakes so far. He should have made bank reform his first legislative priority. The Right would have had a harder time drumming up public support for their obstructionist position. Cordoning off Wall Street, standing all the stock brokers/bankers up naked in the snow last February and decimating them like an ancient Roman general, in some colorful way would have gone a long way in draining the pus in that boil.
His second mistake is in not highlighting the obstructionist policy of his opponents. Kuros mentions extending unemployment but he doesn't spell out just how cynically obstructionist the opposition has been. They threatened two filibusters on a bill in the Senate extending unemployment benefits and then voted 98-0 in support. In other words, the party let real live human beings suffer in the name of their--the party's--political expediency. (The Senate is broken, meaning 1/2 the legislative branch is broken during a major national emergency. The filibuster is an extra-constitutional strategy and should be abolished.)
I can't help but think that what the Right really fears most is that the economic catastrophe we were all looking at square in the face last year at this time hasn't/won't come true and Obama will get the credit for avoiding it while laying the groundwork for a greener, healthier economy for the future, i.e., a re-play of FDR's success.
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| Oh Ya-ta. The data is constructed to support Benny's confirmation. |
My conspiracy take is that the numbers showed a +few hundred and they had to massage them down to -11,000 to make them appear believable. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yet another reason to be optimistic:
"[S]ince 1959, the average private sector job growth under four-year Democratic administrations is 11.7%. Under Republican administrations, it's 5.4%."
There's a nifty graph here: http://jed-lewison.dailykos.com/ with a link to the raw numbers. (Preemptive strike: It's the numbers, not the site they appear on, that matters.) |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yet another reason to be optimistic:
"[S]ince 1959, the average private sector job growth under four-year Democratic administrations is 11.7%. Under Republican administrations, it's 5.4%."
There's a nifty graph here: http://jed-lewison.dailykos.com/ with a link to the raw numbers. (Preemptive strike: It's the numbers, not the site they appear on, that matters.) |
It's abundantly clear who is trying to make this thread a partisan "slam parade". |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| It's abundantly clear who is trying to make this thread a partisan "slam parade". |
Hmmm. Something tells me you prefer the echo chamber of Faux News/Opinion.
Given the 10% unemployment rate with 6 applicants for every opening, I am curious how everyone feels about a new stimulus bill aimed at job creation. (Feel free to whine about the last stimulus bill so you don't have to take a position on a new one.)
By the way, isn't it just irresponsible for Obama to hold a jobs summit targeted at finding a way to stimulate private sector job creation rather than rush into a New Deal WPA-type gov't program (aka Re-education Camp Bachmann)? |
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bixlerscott
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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What Obama says is a lot things other than the actual realities hitting home this decade. Who listens and does what Obama says? Will this empty statement lacking substance be forgotten about by this time next week? Are employers actually offering decent new career opportunities today? I don't believe they plan on offering anything more than the bare minimum for quite some time to come. Now that it's Christmas season Wal-Mart needs to have every check out lane staffed during peak hours such as Friday afternoons and Saturdays, but the cheap company only have 1/3 to 1/2 staffed at most when people need those cashier jobs to alleviate the congested 20 to 30 minute lines including express check out lanes. Hardly no one hired additional help for this holiday season nor does anyone know of any extra temp work to be had. Looks like the self check out lanes were taken out in the name of theft prevention. Oh they wouldn't want to lose any money. Greedy selfish companies. People are spending a little more money now, because it's almost Christmas. Yes, taking on debt is still the biggest holiday season hit back home.
EDIT: I changed that bad word to company even though the swear filter doesn't block out what I called them. I apologize. No swearing according to the TOS even though we've been seeing lots of it come up. Guess the swear filters are no longer on as they seem to not work anymore. No longer a reason to dodge a swear filter, but there are rules.
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| What Obama says is a lot things other than the actual realities hitting home this decade. Who listens and does what Obama says? Will this empty statement lacking substance be forgotten about by this time next week? Are employers actually offering decent new career opportunities today? I don't believe they plan on offering anything more than the bare minimum for quite some time to come. Now that it's Christmas season Wal-Mart needs to have every check out lane staffed during peak hours such as Friday afternoons and Saturdays, but the cheap b*stards only have 1/3 to 1/2 staffed at most when people need those cashier jobs to alleviate the congested 20 to 30 minute lines including express check out lanes. Hardly no one hired additional help for this holiday season nor does anyone know of any extra temp work to be had. Looks like the self check out lanes were taken out in the name of theft prevention. Oh they wouldn't want to lose any money. Greedy selfish b*stards. People are spending a little more money now, because it's almost Christmas. Yes, taking on debt is still the biggest holiday season hit back home. |
Don't dodge the swear filter. You've been around long enough to know dodging the swear filter is a violation of the TOS. You do know that. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| He's not interested in imposing any idealistic, crack-brained 19th Century economic model on the country. |
Silly nonsense.
Obama IS following a crack-brained 19th century (and before) economic model. It is the oldest economic model in existence. It was repackaged by Marx in the 19th century and again by Keynes in the 20th and it's still the same model. It is the model that Fascist Democrat Roosevelt followed when he turned a small recession into the 1st Great Depression.
Obama is following the same ideas that created this 2nd Great Depression and every US recession and depression in history. His policies have already set us up for the next downturn which will follow one of two paths, depending on his next steps.
There is only one new economic model available, proven to be the only one that explains what has happened throughout history, and able to predict future economic events. That is the Austrian economic model which was new in the mid 20th century and has only been thoroughly explained in the later 20th and early 21st centuries.
Obama could, of course, follow the new Austrian school with policies that would create economic growth, sound money, job creation and prevent future recessions, but he would have to abandon his 19th century fascist-socialist agenda.
Obama's evil agenda is the essence of his being and the essence of the D party. They have an army of ignorant, indoctrinated bootlickers who support them yellowdogmatically, and since all this latest crop of fascist-socialist democrats wants is power and money, and since they don't give a damn about the people, why should they change. |
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kiknkorea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks like the self check out lanes were taken out in the name of theft prevention. Oh they wouldn't want to lose any money. Greedy selfish bastards. |
Way to not dodge the filters!
Am I being greedy and selfish for locking my door? 
Can't really blame them there. Yes they make loads of money, but they lose a fortune to theft also.
Of course we all end up paying for that with higher prices to cover their losses. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| What Obama says is a lot things other than the actual realities hitting home this decade. Who listens and does what Obama says? Will this empty statement lacking substance be forgotten about by this time next week? Are employers actually offering decent new career opportunities today? I don't believe they plan on offering anything more than the bare minimum for quite some time to come. Now that it's Christmas season Wal-Mart needs to have every check out lane staffed during peak hours such as Friday afternoons and Saturdays, but the cheap bastards only have 1/3 to 1/2 staffed at most when people need those cashier jobs to alleviate the congested 20 to 30 minute lines including express check out lanes. Hardly no one hired additional help for this holiday season nor does anyone know of any extra temp work to be had. Looks like the self check out lanes were taken out in the name of theft prevention. Oh they wouldn't want to lose any money. Greedy selfish bastards. People are spending a little more money now, because it's almost Christmas. Yes, taking on debt is still the biggest holiday season hit back home. |
Good-bye.... |
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bixlerscott
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| EDIT: I changed that bad word to company even though the swear filter doesn't block out what I called them. I apologize. No swearing according to the TOS even though we've been seeing lots of it come up unblocked. Guess the swear filters are no longer on as they seem to not work anymore, but there are rules. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Given the 10% unemployment rate with 6 applicants for every opening, I am curious how everyone feels about a new stimulus bill aimed at job creation. (Feel free to whine about the last stimulus bill so you don't have to take a position on a new one.) |
Since you are supporting it, I think it is on you to find empirical evidence that stimulus works. You're going to have a tough time, as (as I understand it) "stimulus" was considered empirically disproved in the late 50's and hasn't been taught in any faculty since. It's just more voodoo to distract the masses. Even the mainstream Keynesians have pushed it aside (until this crisis) preferring instead to increase aggregate demand via monetary policy.
You're all about Obama's economic policies.. Did you also agree with Bush's? |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Obama had plenty of opportunity to make jobs back in Chicago but he opted to create his power base instead and call it community organizing. I guess he thinks job making is work for others to do. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| bixlerscott wrote: |
| EDIT: I changed that bad word to company even though the swear filter doesn't block out what I called them. I apologize. No swearing according to the TOS even though we've been seeing lots of it come up unblocked. Guess the swear filters are no longer on as they seem to not work anymore, but there are rules. |
Too late. We don't play around. We are too busy. We don't have time for that. You know the TOS, and that's that. Everyone has been reminded of that even publicly at least 200 times in the past couple of years, so there is no excuse. |
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TNizzle
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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lol yeah, what a joke.
Taxes=less priate sector jobs...too bad he can't figure that out |
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