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[Trevor]

So what's your solution?

[Deep Thirteen]

[Marc Ravalomanana]

[bacasper]

[mises]

[Adventurer]

[Trevor]

Here is an interesting article on the modern dating/marriage thang.

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

Some key 'graphs:

Executive Summary : The Western World has quietly become a civilization that undervalues men and overvalues women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating various perverse incentives for otherwise good women to conduct great evil against men and children, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated. This is unfair to both genders, and is a recipe for a rapid civilizational decline and displacement, the costs of which will ultimately be borne by a subsequent generation of innocent women, rather than men, as soon as 2020.

The Primal Nature of Men and Women : Genetic research has shown that before the modern era, 80% of women managed to reproduce, but only 40% of men did. The obvious conclusion from this is that a few top men had multiple wives, while the bottom 60% had no mating prospects at all. Women clearly did not mind sharing the top man with multiple other women, ultimately deciding that being one of four women sharing an 'alpha' was still more preferable than having the undivided attention of a 'beta'. Let us define the top 20% of men as measured by their attractiveness to women, as 'alpha' males while the middle 60% of men will be called 'beta' males. The bottom 20% are not meaningful in this context.

Research across gorillas, chimpanzees, and primitive human tribes shows that men are promiscuous and polygamous. This is no surprise to a modern reader, but the research further shows that women are not monogamous, as is popularly assumed, but hypergamous. In other words, a woman may be attracted to only one man at any given time, but as the status and fortune of various men fluctuates, a woman's attention may shift from a declining man to an ascendant man. There is significant turnover in the ranks of alpha males

As a result, women are the first to want into a monogamous relationship, and the first to want out. This is neither right nor wrong, merely natural. What is wrong, however, is the cultural and societal pressure to shame men into committing to marriage under the pretense that they are 'afraid of commitment', while there is no longer the corresponding traditional shame that was reserved for women who destroyed the marriage, despite the fact that 90% of divorces are initiated by women. Furthermore, when women destroy the commitment, there is great harm to children, and the woman demands present and future payments from the man she is abandoning. A man who refuses to marry is neither harming innocent minors nor expecting years of payments from the woman. This double standard has invisible but major costs to society.

[Gopher]

You are relying on sociobiology/evolutionary psychology and "the immortal gene."

And Peppermint, playing off the so-called study's objectives, is behaving like a feminist, moving to speak for what all women want and thus introduces ideology and even politicizes sex. Please do not do that. Some women, and many women at least sometimes, for example, love strong men doing things to them in bed. (Some men even prefer it the other way around.) Do you speak for all women (and men)? Why would you do this to sex and reproduction? Why must we always have sex with each other and never to each other?

Sexual totalitarianism and feminist prudishness out of control.

[Trevor]

[Manner of Speaking]

[Manner of Speaking]

[Adventurer]

[Manner of Speaking]

No argument here.

[geldedgoat]

I saw no pictures of sexy women. That article fails.

[NovaKart]

I wonder how many women look at pornography. I have a female friend who regularly looks at porn. Of course she's the kind of girl who will stand up when we're at a bar and say, "I need to get some weed." So she's not exactly shy about her thoughts.

I've known other women who say they masturbate and I've certainly seen women objectify men. These are women who are much more open about their sexual thoughts. I've also known women who say they could never have sex with a man they didn't love and are much more traditional. They seem to be more into romance and flowers than sex, at least openly.

So, I wonder how much of this is women conforming to traditional sexual ideas. We're at a point now in western culture where women can play sports and be non-traditional in some ways. But for women to openly talk about masturbating and looking at porn, a lot of women would still be bothered to admit that. But I'm sure we all know some women who will talk about things like oral sex and dildos in public without any shame.