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guava
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| And they incriminated themselves with a video taken from their ship |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Those pansy sea shepherd guys look like wanna be commandos in their black skin tight suits and that batman like weak sea ship.
I'm fully on the Japanese whalers side on this one. If it weren't for the outcry this would be a non-issue and there would only be a few boats hunting whales. But because of wackos like the sea shepherds, you attract a bunch of over-patriotic right-wing Japanese that will support the whalers to the end, and more boats hoping to make a quick buck. They should have read up on asian culture before attacking the whalers.
Also, why is it they don't do the same with the Norwegians?
And whales do taste good. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Not quite true there is the law of the sea. And Japan has ratified it. Plus by the same argument, if Japan can do what it wants then so can the protesters |
arrrrrr me matey,, its the pirate life for me...
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| blackjack wrote: |
Not quite true there is the law of the sea. And Japan has ratified it. Plus by the same argument, if Japan can do what it wants then so can the protesters |
arrrrrr me matey,, its the pirate life for me...
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It does sound cheesy doesn't it 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| If it weren't for the outcry this would be a non-issue and there would only be a few boats hunting whales. But because of wackos like the sea shepherds, you attract a bunch of over-patriotic right-wing Japanese that will support the whalers to the end, and more boats hoping to make a quick buck. They should have read up on asian culture before attacking the whalers. |
So then what will it take, threatening to nuke them all over again? This time I just might support it. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Honestly, I think the activists got what they deserve, and will receive no sympathy from me. |
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| I'm fully on the Japanese whalers side on this one. |
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| the crappy, hippie protest boat sinks: |
You may not agree with the tactics of the protesters, but do any of you have any sympathy for the actual whales?
Fair enough Minke Whales have recovered somewhat due to Australian conservation efforts and as far as I know they are no longer endangered.
But the Japanese are also targetting several other species which are endangered or for which there is no definite information available.
In this day and age there really is no need to eat whales.
The japanese are decades behind in environmentalist thinking. The world has moved on from the mass plunder and unsustainable exploitation of the 19th century. But Japan has some of the most over-fished and ecologically damaged waters on earth. Its something of an Asian problem: there is no respect for or understanding of the natural world.. and a lot of unecessary cruelty to other creatures. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| In this day and age there really is no need to eat animals. |
Fixed. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| do any of you have any sympathy for the actual whales? |
I do, definitely, if the animals suffer. Don't get me started on dolphins.
This is a good book. Makes a case for not eating whales that isn't Westerncentric. I'd be in favor of introducing rights to certain other living beings in a nonarbitrary way - the right to live and be left alone.
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| In this day and age there really is no need to eat animals. |
Without addressing the truth or otherwise of the claim, it also isn't necessary - in this day and age of electricity - to light the room with candles. But it's still nice to do. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Without addressing the truth or otherwise of the claim, it also isn't necessary - in this day and age of electricity - to light the room with candles. But it's still nice to do. |
Even if their ingredients partly entail Mr Stefanuto's fat. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Without addressing the truth or otherwise of the claim, it also isn't necessary - in this day and age of electricity - to light the room with candles. But it's still nice to do. |
Even if their ingredients partly entail Mr Stefanuto's fat. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Don't get me wrong, I would have no qualms about hunting whales if the following could be reliably verified:
a) The species in question had a large and viable population that would in no way be threatened by a limited and controlled catch.
b) The meat and other products was needed and would not be wasted.
c) With regards to scientific research: that such research was definitely needed for important purposes.
But none of the above applies to what the Japanese are doing. They're killing whales that are either definitely endangered or whose status is unclear/ contested. The meat they get remains largely unsold, it goes to waste. The scientific research they claim is entrely unecessary: it is already well-established "what Fin Whales eat." To boot, they do not actually need to eat whalemeat- its not as if they're starving and have no access to a different diet.
They're continuing the killing purely for nationalistic reasons- an act of macho defiance. "We lost WW2 but nobody can tell us to not kill whales". In other words, whaling exists as the final last stand of Japanese macho maleness. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
They're continuing the killing purely for nationalistic reasons- an act of macho defiance. "We lost WW2 but nobody can tell us to not kill whales". In other words, whaling exists as the final last stand of Japanese macho maleness. |
Good one. If it were some Amazon tribe hunting whales, you would be saying we should respect their unique culture. |
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