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gossipgirlxoxo



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES YES YES!!!!

I have a co-worker I can't STAND. Talk about loving the sound of his own voice. Expert on every subject, and will answer questions not even directed at him before the person being asked even has time to register the question. SUCH a rude guy, but he has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER. I am just dying to tell him to F-off, but for the sake of work harmony I have just ignored him 90%of the time for the painfully long time that we have been working together.

Things I hate:
* The fact that you think you are a world expert on teaching, even though the Korean staff and students complain about you behind your back.
* The fact that you think you are an authority on Korean culture, even though you can't speak but 10 words of Korean.
* The fact that you have old-man syndrome. You are in your 30s but you act like my grandpa.
* The fact that instead of politely refusing food items and moving on, you feel the need to delve into a lecture about why said food is so bad for you and make everyone else eating it feel like they ought not to be.
* The fact that you are sooooo condescending that you think your fellow foreign co-workers need to be told basic things like how to greet the school owner (in English)!! - oh really, we should smile and say "Hello"? FCK me, I had no idea.
*And as a side note, you have no morals whatsoever. HONEST people who find things make an attempt to find their owner before claiming them. They also do not loot others' possessions while their backs are turned....."Oh really? That was yours?" YES. That's why it was MY office, in MY drawer.
*And finally, basic manners, dude. When you come in, say "Hello" - it won't kill you. When other people say Hello, say it back - that won't kill you either. Say goodbye when you leave instead of just disappearing. And finally, when you take an EXTENDED trip overseas, bring a little something - a bag of candy, any small thing, to say thank you to the people who have been covering your ass for a month. If that's too much trouble, say "Thanks" at least, for fricks sake.
PS: When you are lying to your colleagues, it's best not to brag about said lies on online forums. We know everything.

Love, Gossipgirl, xoxo.
PPS: I won't mind saying all this to your face someday, on the happy day when you stop talking about leaving and actually LEAVE.
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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't wait for this thread to explode due to the above post. I'm getting some popcorn on, I think.
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joyfulgirl



Joined: 05 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my mother is like that...unable to converse 'properly.' she talks and talks...always has. so, my siblings and i learned to be listeners.

i get frustrated the odd time, still, when trying to tell her a story about my life over Skype (i dunno why i still try, but alas)...and somehow the delay, or her constant wall of voice...makes my voice unhearable.

but that's her. i love her, and the easiest thing to do is to sit back and listen, and respond with a 'wow' or 'oh yeah?' when a pause occurs.

some people are mainly talkers, some people are mainly listeners. but most of us figure out some sort of balance. to be in a conversation you must be aware of the other person. my mother, and a few too many people i've met, like the person you described, OP, seem to forget there's anyone else in the room, whether they're being too talkative or too quiet.

but that's people for ya. it takes all kinds.

you love them forever 'cause they're nuts but kind, or you are polite and then avoid them as much as you can.
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Deep Thirteen



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Swamp Land

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dokothy and I are cut from similar trees. I was going to write the same thing.
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspected I'm not the only one who feels the frustration of long conversations we never looked for.

Strangely, I quite enjoy talking at length on this forum. Laughing
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gossipgirlxoxo wrote:
YES YES YES!!!!

I have a co-worker I can't STAND. Talk about loving the sound of his own voice. Expert on every subject, and will answer questions not even directed at him before the person being asked even has time to register the question. SUCH a rude guy, but he has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER. I am just dying to tell him to F-off, but for the sake of work harmony I have just ignored him 90%of the time for the painfully long time that we have been working together.

Things I hate:
* The fact that you think you are a world expert on teaching, even though the Korean staff and students complain about you behind your back.
* The fact that you think you are an authority on Korean culture, even though you can't speak but 10 words of Korean.
* The fact that you have old-man syndrome. You are in your 30s but you act like my grandpa.
* The fact that instead of politely refusing food items and moving on, you feel the need to delve into a lecture about why said food is so bad for you and make everyone else eating it feel like they ought not to be.
* The fact that you are sooooo condescending that you think your fellow foreign co-workers need to be told basic things like how to greet the school owner (in English)!! - oh really, we should smile and say "Hello"? FCK me, I had no idea.
*And as a side note, you have no morals whatsoever. HONEST people who find things make an attempt to find their owner before claiming them. They also do not loot others' possessions while their backs are turned....."Oh really? That was yours?" YES. That's why it was MY office, in MY drawer.
*And finally, basic manners, dude. When you come in, say "Hello" - it won't kill you. When other people say Hello, say it back - that won't kill you either. Say goodbye when you leave instead of just disappearing. And finally, when you take an EXTENDED trip overseas, bring a little something - a bag of candy, any small thing, to say thank you to the people who have been covering your ass for a month. If that's too much trouble, say "Thanks" at least, for fricks sake.
PS: When you are lying to your colleagues, it's best not to brag about said lies on online forums. We know everything.

Love, Gossipgirl, xoxo.
PPS: I won't mind saying all this to your face someday, on the happy day when you stop talking about leaving and actually LEAVE.


Christ, do we work in the same school? Is your co-worker Australian by any chance?
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Lacey Fox



Joined: 03 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: People that cannot converse properly Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
Have you met people who seem to lack self-awareness in communication?

Tell us about them. Laughing


I was hanging out in a park in Buxton (tiny town in England) about ten years ago. This older man started chatting with me, and the next thing you know he was describing to me in excruciating detail why the London Bridge was sold and how it was deconstructed, moved, and reconstructed. This was the most boring conversation of my life.
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a coworker who is an obnoxious talker. He just talks crap all the time, even when he's (obviously) clueless about it. I used to start talking to him, but then get annoyed after a few minutes of not even being able to get a single word in, so I'd slowly start to back away or turn my body away from him. He'd follow me around and keep coming closer. Finally, I'd be backed up against the wall or something. Now, when I see (but most of the time hear first) him coming, I'll go the other way, or avoid eye contact and shuffle off quickly, like I've got lots of work to do or class to go to.

So clueless. How do people get through life not learning basic conversational skills or learn how to pick up on body language?
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rusty1983



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it super-annoying when you get a student who is like this. They go on and on and on and eat away the time. It is awkward cos you cant just tell them to shut up like you can with most other people. Theyre always the ones who have to have an opinion on everything, will offend the other students and then wonder what is going on when I just have to say 'ok, moving on.....'

Although it is quite funny when you have a few students youre friendly with and you can do a sly roll of the eyes..
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gossipgirlxoxo wrote:
YES YES YES!!!!

I have a co-worker I can't STAND. Talk about loving the sound of his own voice. Expert on every subject, and will answer questions not even directed at him before the person being asked even has time to register the question. SUCH a rude guy, but he has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER. I am just dying to tell him to F-off, but for the sake of work harmony I have just ignored him 90%of the time for the painfully long time that we have been working together.

Things I hate:
* The fact that you think you are a world expert on teaching, even though the Korean staff and students complain about you behind your back.
* The fact that you think you are an authority on Korean culture, even though you can't speak but 10 words of Korean.
* The fact that you have old-man syndrome. You are in your 30s but you act like my grandpa.
* The fact that instead of politely refusing food items and moving on, you feel the need to delve into a lecture about why said food is so bad for you and make everyone else eating it feel like they ought not to be.
* The fact that you are sooooo condescending that you think your fellow foreign co-workers need to be told basic things like how to greet the school owner (in English)!! - oh really, we should smile and say "Hello"? FCK me, I had no idea.
*And as a side note, you have no morals whatsoever. HONEST people who find things make an attempt to find their owner before claiming them. They also do not loot others' possessions while their backs are turned....."Oh really? That was yours?" YES. That's why it was MY office, in MY drawer.
*And finally, basic manners, dude. When you come in, say "Hello" - it won't kill you. When other people say Hello, say it back - that won't kill you either. Say goodbye when you leave instead of just disappearing. And finally, when you take an EXTENDED trip overseas, bring a little something - a bag of candy, any small thing, to say thank you to the people who have been covering your ass for a month. If that's too much trouble, say "Thanks" at least, for fricks sake.
PS: When you are lying to your colleagues, it's best not to brag about said lies on online forums. We know everything.

Love, Gossipgirl, xoxo.
PPS: I won't mind saying all this to your face someday, on the happy day when you stop talking about leaving and actually LEAVE.


THIS is why Korea turns me into a *beep*. It seems the retards that can't succeed in their home country turn up in Korea and do exactly what you've stated.

THIS is also why I've learned to tell people what is up. Yes, I have had a couple people shoot tears at me. However, at the end of their lives hopefully they will thank me on their deathbeds for bringing them back down to reality.
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HalfJapanese



Joined: 02 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the topic of "People that cannot converse properly...", how about mentioning the people that are pretty much quiet all the time while the other person of the conversation does most of the talking. The people that only talk/comment when it is absolutely necessary. It feel like carrying on a one sided conversation with yourself.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robot wrote:
It's not too hard, Dorkothy.

Just keep the conversation around a 50-50 split. If the other person is giving one-word answers or the like, he's probably bored. Body language is a pretty clear indicator, as well.


That is a result of good education.
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:

However, I intensely dislike the kind of people that you spend 5 minutes with and they start to talk down to you, try to humiliate you in front of others and then have the audacity to act like you're imagining it.


Can you give an example of this? I think I understand what you're talking about but am having a bit of a hard time picturing it exactly.
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm talking about when you are with people that you have to be with i.e. co-workers, a student in your class etc.

You are polite to them and at first so are they. They seem to secretly resent you because you possess some good qualities they lack.

I say 'secretly' because you don't change at all, but find that because you choose to be 'not-so-talkative' this person begins to think you're stupid and believes it is fine to patronize you or talk to you in front of others like you're dumb, retarded or worthy of disrespect. They change, when you don't, hence the 'secretly resent you' phrase.

You notice this and gradually become more and more outraged by such conduct. In my case, I recently told off the 'offender' and it wiped off the nasty sneer from his face. He also doesn't 'try-it-on' any longer and rarely speaks to me anymore.

He had the audacity to confront me over my conduct, and that is when I said exactly what I thought of him. I also told him off for his fake, half-hearted attempts to pretend he didn't know what I was talking about.

Before, he was walking around with an 'I'm-so-clever' attitude.

In life, I've realized sometimes you have to assert yourself and be very blunt, because that is the only thing some people understand.

It's sad when good manners are interpreted as a sign if weakness/stupidity. Laughing
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: People that cannot converse properly Reply with quote

Lacey Fox wrote:
fromtheuk wrote:
Have you met people who seem to lack self-awareness in communication?

Tell us about them. Laughing


I was hanging out in a park in Buxton (tiny town in England) about ten years ago. This older man started chatting with me, and the next thing you know he was describing to me in excruciating detail why the London Bridge was sold and how it was deconstructed, moved, and reconstructed. This was the most boring conversation of my life.


Haha, I'd love to hear about that. Didn't the bridge go to Texas? Weird stuff, interesting.

It's ok for people to 'hold forth' if it's interesting but if they're just loud voicing it talking about banal shite then they're stuck on overpower mode and fear people, fear that they're stupid, or whatever it is that's not letting them realize;

-there's private reality and popular reality, personal reality and social reality. Both have to be indulged and one can't function extremely at the expense of the other or it doesn't work.

Banal stuff can be the lowest common denominator like social courtesies. I also forget to say hello or goodbye because it feels ridiculous, I mean it's a given, I'm here, hello is said in body language such as my visible physical presence. But it's sort of a how's your father hearty ritual that makes people feel like they're in their living room at home and comfortable. Making social space as comfortable as private space using sweet nothings.

Crazy people do not do this. They say what they feel without reservation which definitely doesn't go. It's all private reality. Cooped up and blows out like a volcano and they don't care if the other person is listening or not or that their voice is too loud.

On the other hand the other extreme is overly socialized people who live in public/popular reality and their opinions and manners are so lowest common denominator that, I dunno, it's boring. And they expect others to conform and be boring, too. So no raised voices or passionate diatribes take place in them.

Presumably there's a sensible, intelligent meeting ground as in a proper conversation which works for both.
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