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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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I don't know...
judging from the amount of unhappy married k women married to k men...everyday you can read or hear from someone how unhappy they are...but, just like most other countries..when dating...the guy is "all she ever wanted" and then after marriage..he changed! Or did she change?
I have hundreds of koreans friends who are married, I know both the husbands and wives very well, and the majority of the women are not happy. A few are....but again, most are not.
Abuse, out drinking all the time, mongering, love hotels often, massage joints....give this some thought....I have never been in a country that has as many barber shop/massage joints/coffee shop gals as korea has! You will find a massage/barber shop/coffee shop gals in every city and almost every street corner in korea! Even the smaller towns! So, why so many? Wives/gF's change so the guy has no choice but the visit them? Or did the guy change? |
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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess we're just born to lay pipe? |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
I don't know...
judging from the amount of unhappy married k women married to k men...everyday you can read or hear from someone how unhappy they are...but, just like most other countries..when dating...the guy is "all she ever wanted" and then after marriage..he changed! Or did she change?
I have hundreds of koreans friends who are married, I know both the husbands and wives very well, and the majority of the women are not happy. A few are....but again, most are not.
Abuse, out drinking all the time, mongering, love hotels often, massage joints....give this some thought....I have never been in a country that has as many barber shop/massage joints/coffee shop gals as korea has! You will find a massage/barber shop/coffee shop gals in every city and almost every street corner in korea! Even the smaller towns! So, why so many? Wives/gF's change so the guy has no choice but the visit them? Or did the guy change? |
It's usually the women that change. They get fat and stop being so exciting. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...AmericanExile is mean-spirited and jealous, do the people here in Korea find you as replusive as well?  |
Hey, I have no problem with lesbians. It's like Chuck Berry says "you have a right to live the way you want to live." So don't push your lesbian hating negativity off on me. |
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Profesora
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Wow...AmericanExile is mean-spirited and jealous, do the people here in Korea find you as replusive as well? |
Hey, I have no problem with lesbians. It's like Chuck Berry says "you have a right to live the way you want to live." So don't push your lesbian hating negativity off on me. |
Nice try to turn around a nasty comment as support for the gay/lesbian community. So your logic still does not stand, one has nothing to do with the other. Your attempt to try to equate Korean men to women was weak at best.
Give it up, you were called out on a nasty, rude, mean-spirited remark and your lame attempt at a rebuttal has been officially dismissed. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| There is a word for women who are attracted to Korean men: Lesbian. |
Congratulations, you're a cliche! Does it really never occur to white guys who rail on about Korean men( common topics include their propensity for drink, spousal abuse and deficiencies in relative equipment size) whenever a white woman expresses interest in them, that they're acting like a Korean ajoshi? Are you afraid of all the Korean men stealing "your" women? |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Profesora wrote: |
| AmericanExile wrote: |
| Profesora wrote: |
| Wow...AmericanExile is mean-spirited and jealous, do the people here in Korea find you as replusive as well? |
Hey, I have no problem with lesbians. It's like Chuck Berry says "you have a right to live the way you want to live." So don't push your lesbian hating negativity off on me. |
Nice try to turn around a nasty comment as support for the gay/lesbian community. So your logic still does not stand, one has nothing to do with the other. Your attempt to try to equate Korean men to women was weak at best.
Give it up, you were called out on a nasty, rude, mean-spirited remark and your lame attempt at a rebuttal has been officially dismissed. |
Actually this is pretty straight forward.
1. The sentence is constructed so the entire weight of people's reactions falls on the final term after the colon. If it is positive the sentence is positive. If it is negative then the sentence is negative. I could have said "there is a word for women who are attracted to Korean men: Pineapple," which is absurd making the sentence absurd.
2. The final term was lesbian.
3. Lesbian in not an inherently negative term.
4. You interpreted it negatively.
5. Therefore you think it is negative.
I has a prof who used to say there is a difference between a dog, a picture of a dog, a symbol for a dog, the word "dog," and the idea of dog inside of people's heads. We often treat them as identical and therefore unproblematically interchangeable. They are not. I wouldn't be surprised if you were taught the same thing or something similar.
The word "lesbian" is not nasty, rude or mean spirited. The nastiness, rudeness, and mean spiritedness all come from the idea of lesbian that exists inside YOUR head. You can deny it all you want. You can blame me all you want. The words nasty, rude and mean spirited all came from you. Not me, you.
There was nothing mean spirited inside of me when I wrote it. It was a playful light hearted joke. It is written in classic joke form. The humor in it relies upon violation of expectation which is a foundational pillar of humor. It isn't important that you believe that. However, I don't think you can reasonably deny it is possible to interpret what I wrote as something other than mean spirited, rude, and nasty. It would be ridiculous. "No, no, no my interpretation is the only possible interpretation." Come on now.
Let us be clear. I don't know you. You don't know me. So don't even try to make some counter argument based on omniscience. You don't know what I meant. When you read my words on Dave's a psychic link was not created between us across the internet that allowed you to see into my mind. All you could do was interpret the words I wrote. There are multiple possible interpretations. You interpreted it negatively because of the ideas inside your head.
In my culture you joke with people you like. You make fun of them. You tease them. It shows you like them by including them. It shows you respect them by indicating you think they can take it. The expectation is that it will be done to you in return. It's all good natured. It's a laugh in a world that at times can grind a person down. Where I'm from, people like it. They look forward to it. It can be the highlight of their day. You don't want to be considered someone who can't take a little good natured ribbing because then you are outside. You aren't forced to participate.
This is to both Profesora and peppermint. Are you saying my culture is not legitimate? I have to conform to your cultural beliefs about what is right or wrong. This may shock you but I don't acknowledge either of you as being superior beings who get to moralize at other people and decide which elements of which culture a person can or must practice. Seriously, who do you two think you are?
peppermint your post isn't even from left field. It's from a diamond in a park all the way across town. Spousal abuse? Stealing "your" women? What? Why don't you blame me for the assassination of JFK or the fall of Rome? You clearly are upset about things other people have said. How about you tell them that? Come on now.
As far as being a cliche, I've always enjoyed "easy as pie." Can I be that one? By the way, that's a joke. I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm railing on pies, or being easy. I am an avowed fan of both. |
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Profesora
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul
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Laughable and lame. You should own it...it wasn't a funny "joke" and it was weak. You can continue to be verbose and try to sound intellectual, but it is what is: a pathetic attempt at humor that failed.
But please, continue to try to defend your "joke", now it's actually getting amusing. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Laughable and lame. You should own it...it wasn't a funny "joke" and it was weak. You can continue to be verbose and try to sound intellectual, but it is what is: a pathetic attempt at humor that failed.
But please, continue to try to defend your "joke", now it's actually getting amusing. |
Please. Everybody here saw the bus go by as you got taken to school.
All your doing now is throwing random insults because there is nothing else you can do. You're wrong. I'm right. God loves a sinner and all is right with the world. |
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Profesora
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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sarahsiobhan
Joined: 24 May 2009
Location: Wherever I am , I am probably drinking tea.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: |
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I have to say I agree with AmericanExile on this. I read the comment as a lighthearted way of poking fun at the fact that some Korean men exhibit traits that Westerners would see as feminine. The skinny little jeans, the touching, the parakeet hair, the purses....obviously not all do, but there are some. And they are bizarre to my Western eyes.
Incidentally, I asked my cousin (a lesbian) to pop over to Dave's to read the thread. She laughed.
Just my humble opinion. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I have to say I agree with AmericanExile on this. I read the comment as a lighthearted way of poking fun at the fact that some Korean men exhibit traits that Westerners would see as feminine. The skinny little jeans, the touching, the parakeet hair, the purses....obviously not all do, but there are some. And they are bizarre to my Western eyes.
Incidentally, I asked my cousin (a lesbian) to pop over to Dave's to read the thread. She laughed.
Just my humble opinion. |
I don't see what reason your lesbian cousin would have to be offended though...seeing as the comment wasn't really it about lesbians---it was about Korean men being women.
The joke is laaaaaame.
There is a word for men who are attracted to Asian women: Pedophile.
I KID! I'M JUST JOKING! HEY! WHY SO OFFENDED? (etc. etc.) |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| sarahsiobhan wrote: |
I have to say I agree with AmericanExile on this. I read the comment as a lighthearted way of poking fun at the fact that some Korean men exhibit traits that Westerners would see as feminine. The skinny little jeans, the touching, the parakeet hair, the purses....obviously not all do, but there are some. And they are bizarre to my Western eyes.
Incidentally, I asked my cousin (a lesbian) to pop over to Dave's to read the thread. She laughed.
Just my humble opinion. |
I don't see what reason your lesbian cousin would have to be offended though...seeing as the comment wasn't really it about lesbians---it was about Korean men being women.
The joke is laaaaaame.
There is a word for men who are attracted to Asian women: Pedophile.
I KID! I'M JUST JOKING! HEY! WHY SO OFFENDED? (etc. etc.) |
Some people like chocolate. Some people like vanilla. Some people juggle goslings. You don't find my joke funny - that's cool.
I do find it quizzical that you are shouting about just joking when nobody has said they are offended by your joke. I don't think it's offensive. Like I said where I'm from people make fun of each other. So, if you are trying to show me how wrong I was by "cleverly" flipping it around on me you are gonna have to try much, much harder.
I can give you some pointers if you want. First of all, it's very important to think about audience. This is a thread that was meant to be about western women who are interested in Korean men. That's why I made a joke about that. Who are you making fun of? Nobody here has claimed to be interested in Asian women. You seem to just be taking a random shot in the dark. That's no good. But don't feel bad. It is a very common mistake for a bed wetter to make.
Oh, and if you don't want to play don't get on the field. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Not posted by me.
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