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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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If our schools are so great, why do so many foreigners (Germans and Scandanavians, for example) speak English so well while Americans very rarely speak foreign languages fluently unless their parents are immigrants and they learned it at home?
While I think most of us on here are good people and are so much better than the Korean media portrays us, most of us aren't exactly going to ever perform surgery to save someone's life or build a rocket, so let's not get carried away with bragging about our educations. I'll be the first to admit my University of Tennessee diploma isn't worth the paper it's printed on. UT is first and foremost a business and minor league sports program masquerading as an educational institution. Like everything else regarding public education in the USA, it does just enough to get by academically to justify the taxpayer money it receives. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| If our schools are so great ... |
Please don't misunderstand me. I don't think our schools are great, and I do think there's room for improvement in them. I'm simply stating that the state of our schools is not the primary cause of perceived American educational deficiencies.
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| ... why do so many foreigners (Germans and Scandanavians, for example) speak English so well while Americans very rarely speak foreign languages fluently unless their parents are immigrants and they learned it at home? |
Take the following three facts:
1) America is comparatively isolated; we have only two direct neighbors, and one of them is also English speaking.
2) America is absolutely huge, which allows for substantial travel without having to leave the United States.
3) English is the world's de facto international language.
Combine these three facts, and you have substantially reduced incentive to bother learning another language. Americans are far less likely than Europeans or Asians to ever need to utilize another language, and when encountering a foreigner, it's far more likely that they'll know English than that they'll know French, or German, or Norweigan, or so forth. Most Americans simply think, "Why bother?" I know I did before moving abroad; I grudgingly studied my two high school years and two college terms of German for my foreign language credits, feeling it was a waste of time all along, then promptly forgot it all due to simply not caring about it. Yet since I've lived in Korea, I've quickly reached intermediate level in Korean, and even started obtaining some proficiency in Chinese, simply because I now see value in it. My foreign language teachers weren't inept; they were a fine resource. I simply didn't care to learn what they were teaching, though. Nothing they could have done could have incentivized me, which is my entire point.
| Reggie wrote: |
| While I think most of us on here are good people and are so much better than the Korean media portrays us, most of us aren't exactly going to ever perform surgery to save someone's life or build a rocket, so let's not get carried away with bragging about our educations. |
I wasn't bragging about my education. In fact, I consider nothing in my posts worthy of bragging; basic competency in science and math is not something to be proud of, but rather lacking basic competency is something to be ashamed of. I mentioned it solely to refute the idea that, "Our schools don't teach science and math." They do, and they teach it well enough for any student who actually cares about his education to acquire basic proficiency. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| FOX gets a number of points for that last post. Reggie baited, but was out-foxed. |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Public schools concentrate on social work, building self esteem and other feel-good programmes as in the Winnipeg lap dance. They have pretty much given up providing their students with intellectual stimulation in favour of entertainments and government subsidized breakfasts.
The bar is much too low. Students are passed from one grade to another regardless of their academic progress. This is done so that they will not be left out of their peer group and lose out on the social work confidence building public school agenda. It also makes for cheaper scheduling of classes.
The result of this is that teachers are struggling to teach those who don't give a rat's ass about their education and who have lost all respect for teachers and schools. Education has simply become just another entitlement, something to be sneered at and treated with contempt. In the schools where I sub the kids complain about the free breakfasts as in, "these muffins are like so boring everyday."
The lap dancing teachers in Winnipeg are just responding to this. They probably feel like dancing monkeys anyway so why not just go with the flow in order to stop the pain of teaching in a state system which is bankrupt both intellectually and morally. Get a few laughs from the kids, maybe score with a collegue and collect the cheque at the end of the week. |
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darkjedidave

Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Shanghai/Seoul
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a Saint Louis Rams fan for you. It's not like the team plays football anymore, so learning to dance is an interesting alternative |
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