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languistic



Joined: 25 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And folks running around threatening slander and defamation at the drop of a hat.

Heck in a Chinese knockoff handbag.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it ironic how many white people post on a thread about issues of race and color. There has been one person that responded that has first hand experience.

Why do white people always give advice and comments about how people of color are treated in Korea?

Perhaps JamelToe doesn't mind being called a Brother from a white guy, but I still think that it is a little ignorant in this day and age to refer to black people as bros.
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logan2003



Joined: 20 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I just had to post here....usually I am in the buy/trade tech forums. I worked in Seoul back in 2000, and in Ulsan in 2001. Both for 1 year contracts. I know it can be done. Back then it took longer, I have a thick skin so comments like "sorry we don't hire black teachers" didn't offend me. It was more frustrating. Actually I am lucky I guess. The first time it took 2 weeks to find work in Seoul, Ulsan it was less than a week. Now I am in a smaller city and and have been here for a long time. I am in Gunsan now, small place but it is like home for my family. Just some information to help the OP. Oh and I have seen numerous teachers non-white working in Hakwons, Universities, and public schools. Times are changing people!
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of black dudes work in Seoul, including myself.....although hagwons are more picky these days due to the economy.

PS jobs are not racist in hiring and hire all types from my experience(I work for them in Seoul).
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Street Magic



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
frankly speaking wrote:

AndrewChon refered to black people as BROS..


"How awful".

Seriously the more I hear about the US and racism the more I see they are in a politically correct madness where everyone is so afraid of eachother that they're safer just not even daring to make eye contact with someone of a different race.
Never been to the US but it appears more racially aware, paranoid and segregated than other western countries e.g western europe.


Like I said before, don't try to extrapolate from "frankly speaking" how racial issues in the US are treated. If you have any American friends or acquaintances, try suggesting that the term "bro" is racist and see how they respond.

And judging from what you wrote, you have no idea that the US, in contrast to many of the nations in Western Europe, doesn't have any hate speech laws. No one can be punished just for being racist. The American Civil Liberties Union has defended Klansman and Neo-Nazis in court when their right to march was challenged.

Compare with the following regarding the UK:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=175064&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Boxer wrote:
frankly speaking wrote:
jameltoe you are pretty good to ignore AndrewChon's words. What an ignorant and racist post.

If it seems to you that AndrewChon was looking to start problems, I think you should keep in mind that jameltoe did ask for "incite".


Laughing High five, seriously.

Referring to an entire "race" of people as "the brothers" is really sexist. I happen to know for a fact that there are black women in America. You people are bigots!

And FYI, I am neither black nor female. So EAT IT! Shocked
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shostahoosier



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm black...and a male, so I have SOME experience in this situation.

Andrewchon was not necessarily wrong....recruiters will try to push you out to more less desirable areas because it will be easier to place you there.

The more desirable schools know that they're in demand and they're pickier with who they want to hire. Sometimes they might want someone who's more "American looking" to teach at their school so people of color are pushed down the priority list.

It doesnt mean you wont get a job in Seoul. I know plenty of black people who teach in Seoul and in the nice areas just outside of Seoul.

It does mean you may have to work a little harder to get placed.

If it is Seoul that you want though (or Busan or wherever), make sure you stick to your guns and dont let a recruiter tell you "Sorry...the schools only want a white, american female...but you're so lucky we were able to place you in BFE because there want many positions this hiring period".

If a recruiter cant get you what you want...go to the next one.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
I find it ironic how many white people post on a thread about issues of race and color. There has been one person that responded that has first hand experience.

Why do white people always give advice and comments about how people of color are treated in Korea?

Perhaps JamelToe doesn't mind being called a Brother from a white guy, but I still think that it is a little ignorant in this day and age to refer to black people as bros.

White people are persons of colour also guy.
Everyone IS a color.
Jeeze. Do people NOT realize this. This is just like the lesbian / gay thread from last year. How DARE you even suggest that white folks hang out with only white folks, or straight guys only with straight guys. But, even suggest for one iota that it's wrong to discriminate both ways, and certain peoples have a fit.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wesharis "How DARE you even suggest that white folks hang out with only white folks, or straight guys only with straight guys. "

Where on this thread did I say anything close to that?

I said that white people giving advice about being black in Korea is pretty ironic.

Besides, white is not a color. It is the absence of color.

Perhaps I should have said the members of the racial majority in their own country giving advice for the racial minority groups.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
Wesharis "How DARE you even suggest that white folks hang out with only white folks, or straight guys only with straight guys. "

Where on this thread did I say anything close to that?

I said that white people giving advice about being black in Korea is pretty ironic.

Besides, white is not a color. It is the absence of color.

Perhaps I should have said the members of the racial majority in their own country giving advice for the racial minority groups.

Again sir, white folks are just another skin tone matey. It's the attitudes that develop around sociological circumstances that give flavor to differing castes of meta-social groupings. White is a color. If you find a completely white person, tell me please. I'm labeled as white, but I'd say I'm more red. But, not a single person ever calls me red.
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CapnSamwise



Joined: 11 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
frankly speaking wrote:
What an ignorant and racist post.


Being a bit harsh aren't you? The guy was just answering a question.

Wow the US must be messed up if simply talking to a black person gets you labelled racist. Maybe it'd be safer just to not interract with anyone outside your own race at all.


Shut up, just shut up. You are actually making things worse.
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were a number of African-Americans who attended my church in Seoul and most of them worked for SMOE. I would encourage you to apply there, it's a good job.
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3DR



Joined: 24 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CapnSamwise wrote:
nautilus wrote:
frankly speaking wrote:
What an ignorant and racist post.


Being a bit harsh aren't you? The guy was just answering a question.

Wow the US must be messed up if simply talking to a black person gets you labelled racist. Maybe it'd be safer just to not interract with anyone outside your own race at all.


Shut up, just shut up. You are actually making things worse.


+1... "hey im not black, but i can tell you exactly what it's like being black in korea!!"

but yes, I'm black and I've been here for about a year (in Suwon), and will come back again for another. Met plenty of brothas and sistas here mostly from friends of friends.

I would say it's a bit harder getting a hagwon job, but not impossible. Public school would be your best bet as that's where most of my friends work. Usually with GEPIK and SMOE, but I have a few friends in Busan working with EPIK. So you can get a job in fairly large cities like Busan, Suwon, Daejon, Incheon, and even Seoul. Just go out and apply.

If you come over, check out a group on Facebook called Brothas and Sistas of Seoul Korea.
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never realized just how many ignorant people there are on Dave's. Answer the OP's questions or stop derailing his thread!

Depending on your education and experience, you may be eligible for any position, in or out of Seoul. Referals are the best solution to fast-track in Korea. PM me if you can.
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Never been to the US


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