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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Are you asking us why you bet it's zero? Because if you are asking us why it's zero, you'd have to show some more proof that it is zero than just an opinion.
And seeing as how Dokdo is claimed as Japanese territory in schoolbooks, you're still sure zero Japanese children would tell you it's Japan's?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/251_28977.html |
I'm basically asking why this dispute is such a big deal in Korea and goes unnoticed in Japan. "I'd bet" means I don't have proof. But I do have a friend who has taught in Japan for 4 years and when I asked him about a dispute with South Korea over the ownership of a small island between the two countries he had no idea what I was talking about. (This was 10 minutes ago) He's been there for 4 years. I was told about Dokdo within the first week of working here.
Why is there such a difference? |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| 8 years down wrote: |
I'm basically asking why this dispute is such a big deal in Korea and goes unnoticed in Japan. "I'd bet" means I don't have proof. But I do have a friend who has taught in Japan for 4 years and when I asked him about a dispute with South Korea over the ownership of a small island between the two countries he had no idea what I was talking about. (This was 10 minutes ago) He's been there for 4 years. I was told about Dokdo within the first week of working here.
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Japan has achieved a lot more than Korea by any reasonable standard. As such, petty issues like 독도 are far less important to individual citizens with regards to their national pride, because they have actual achievements to be proud of. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:07 am Post subject: Re: visit |
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| rickpidero wrote: |
| It's something you need to do while here, like visiting the DMZ. |
Great, but I'm not traversing over that line as I don't need to provide any financial support to the disgusting regime north of the ROK.
Anyone wanna give some excuse for why they need that particular stamp in their passport? I'm champing at the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_(horse).......
Nobody? Good. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| 8 years down wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Are you asking us why you bet it's zero? Because if you are asking us why it's zero, you'd have to show some more proof that it is zero than just an opinion.
And seeing as how Dokdo is claimed as Japanese territory in schoolbooks, you're still sure zero Japanese children would tell you it's Japan's?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/251_28977.html |
I'm basically asking why this dispute is such a big deal in Korea and goes unnoticed in Japan. "I'd bet" means I don't have proof. But I do have a friend who has taught in Japan for 4 years and when I asked him about a dispute with South Korea over the ownership of a small island between the two countries he had no idea what I was talking about. (This was 10 minutes ago) He's been there for 4 years. I was told about Dokdo within the first week of working here.
Why is there such a difference? |
I really don't think the experiences of two people constitute "such a difference"
It simply never happened to him
It simply happened to you.
That's it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| 8 years down wrote: |
I'm basically asking why this dispute is such a big deal in Korea and goes unnoticed in Japan. "I'd bet" means I don't have proof. But I do have a friend who has taught in Japan for 4 years and when I asked him about a dispute with South Korea over the ownership of a small island between the two countries he had no idea what I was talking about. (This was 10 minutes ago) He's been there for 4 years. I was told about Dokdo within the first week of working here.
Why is there such a difference? |
Japan has achieved a lot more than Korea by any reasonable standard. As such, petty issues like 독도 are far less important to individual citizens with regards to their national pride, because they have actual achievements to be proud of. |
Seems like it's pretty important to the Japanese government though. At least enough to revise the school textbooks to include a claim to Dokdo. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| 8 years down wrote: |
I'm basically asking why this dispute is such a big deal in Korea and goes unnoticed in Japan. "I'd bet" means I don't have proof. But I do have a friend who has taught in Japan for 4 years and when I asked him about a dispute with South Korea over the ownership of a small island between the two countries he had no idea what I was talking about. (This was 10 minutes ago) He's been there for 4 years. I was told about Dokdo within the first week of working here.
Why is there such a difference? |
Japan has achieved a lot more than Korea by any reasonable standard. As such, petty issues like 독도 are far less important to individual citizens with regards to their national pride, because they have actual achievements to be proud of. |
Seems like it's pretty important to the Japanese government though. At least enough to revise the school textbooks to include a claim to Dokdo. |
My suspicions on that account is that the Japanese government covets the natural gas expected to be beneath it and the rich fishing to be done around it. That's probably why the Korean government wants it too. I've never heard a Korean citizen articulate that rationale, though. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| 8 years down wrote: |
I'm basically asking why this dispute is such a big deal in Korea and goes unnoticed in Japan. "I'd bet" means I don't have proof. But I do have a friend who has taught in Japan for 4 years and when I asked him about a dispute with South Korea over the ownership of a small island between the two countries he had no idea what I was talking about. (This was 10 minutes ago) He's been there for 4 years. I was told about Dokdo within the first week of working here.
Why is there such a difference? |
Japan has achieved a lot more than Korea by any reasonable standard. As such, petty issues like 독도 are far less important to individual citizens with regards to their national pride, because they have actual achievements to be proud of. |
Seems like it's pretty important to the Japanese government though. At least enough to revise the school textbooks to include a claim to Dokdo. |
The Japanese government is merely including a historical fact. The reason the Korean side bombards the public with propaganda is because their claim is in fact based on lies. Japan legally held Takeshima under international law (based on terra nullius, the first country to ever formally claim those uninhabited islets, which had been used almost exclusively by Japanese fishermen for centuries) until it was stolen by Korea at gunpoint after WWII. All Korea has is a bunch of old maps where they claim Jukdo is Dokdo. Hence all the noise they make (the rest of the world aside, they have to keep convincing themselves that they're right too).
As for Japanese people, they have better things to do than spam message boards or take out expensive urban advertisements in foreign countries to try and bolster their claims. |
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seonsengnimble
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Really? You're going to tell someone they need proof and then cite Korea Times, the newspaper that reports on white women taking off their shirts and alien graveyards in Africa? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| seonsengnimble wrote: |
Really? You're going to tell someone they need proof and then cite Korea Times, the newspaper that reports on white women taking off their shirts and alien graveyards in Africa? |
Still beats an opinion any day though. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Actually, Korea has no proof that they even knew of the existence of Takeshima before the Japanese took the islets. They have vague maps that refer to a large island only 5 or so km from Ullengo-do. Not Takeshima, obviously.
MacArthur didn't hand it back to Korea. He told them he didn't know, so he told them to 'deal with it'. And Korea did. They sent a ship out there, gunned down some unarmed Japanese fishermen, and took it by force.
| young_clinton wrote: |
| Dokdo has historically been considered a part of Korea, however Japan claimed Dokdo when they annexed Korea in the early part of the century. After World War II, Dokdo was given back to Korea by General MacArthur. I think the Japanese claims to Dokdo are pretty arrogant and actually bizarre. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
| Actually, Korea has no proof that they even knew of the existence of Takeshima before the Japanese took the islets. They have vague maps that refer to a large island only 5 or so km from Ullengo-do. Not Takeshima, obviously. |
No, it's the island Jukdo. Jukdo even has the same hanja ('bamboo island') as Takeshima in Japanese kanji (竹島). It's pretty absurd that all they've got is old Korean maps showing a single "bamboo island", but never with both Jukdo and Dokdo (as two islets), and yet still try to base their claim on that.
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MacArthur didn't hand it back to Korea. He told them he didn't know, so he told them to 'deal with it'. And Korea did. They sent a ship out there, gunned down some unarmed Japanese fishermen, and took it by force.
| young_clinton wrote: |
| Dokdo has historically been considered a part of Korea, however Japan claimed Dokdo when they annexed Korea in the early part of the century. After World War II, Dokdo was given back to Korea by General MacArthur. I think the Japanese claims to Dokdo are pretty arrogant and actually bizarre. |
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Yeah, the simple fact of the matter is that Japan did not "annex" Takeshima. It was formally claimed by Japan as terra nullius about a year before the Eulsa Treaty (which made Korea a de facto protectorate of Japan) was signed. Korea was independent at the time. |
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