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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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because Jeju has nothing going for it except that it's convenient for Koreans.
It has the the beaches, but no significant draws for international tourists. It doesn't even have any good shopping.
For this reason, it can't compete for international tourists with Thailand or even the Philippines. |
Like Van Islander said, Jeju is very popular among the Chinese. That should really be enough. |
I find that difficult to believe, given the exchange rate, given cost of things in Korea and given the average Chinese monthly earnings. Why would the rich Chinese go there when they have far better options within their own country (Hainan, Hong Kong. Macau) or Vietnam, Thailand, etc?
5000 rmb is said to be a very high monthly salary in China.
That's 700 USD. Since prices in Korea are easily equal to American or higher... it makes almost NO economic sense.
with the Japanese on the other hand, it makes more sense. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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with the Japanese on the other hand, it makes more sense. |
When plane tickets skyrocket due to the dwindling supply of oil, the Japanese will find their own beaches in Okinawa more affrdable than Jeju. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm back in the U.S at the moment. Wheel Of Fortune was giving away a trip to Jeju a few days ago. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm back in the U.S at the moment. Wheel Of Fortune was giving away a trip to Jeju a few days ago. |
Probably donated to the show by some Korean organization to promote Korea. You have to wonder where these TV shows get their prizes from. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Cerberus wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
because Jeju has nothing going for it except that it's convenient for Koreans.
It has the the beaches, but no significant draws for international tourists. It doesn't even have any good shopping.
For this reason, it can't compete for international tourists with Thailand or even the Philippines. |
Like Van Islander said, Jeju is very popular among the Chinese. That should really be enough. |
I find that difficult to believe, given the exchange rate, given cost of things in Korea and given the average Chinese monthly earnings. Why would the rich Chinese go there when they have far better options within their own country (Hainan, Hong Kong. Macau) or Vietnam, Thailand, etc?
5000 rmb is said to be a very high monthly salary in China.
That's 700 USD. Since prices in Korea are easily equal to American or higher... it makes almost NO economic sense.
with the Japanese on the other hand, it makes more sense. |
Okay.
[url=http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/07/30/2009073000457.html]
In the first half of 2009, 82,000 Chinese tourists[/url]. That's up 50% from three years earlier.
But still a drop in the bucket as to 6 million people. I couldn't find numbers for Japanese tourists. |
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tacitus14
Joined: 10 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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I've had two great experiences travelling to Jeju do. Two things made the trip great 1) was the great Korean food. So like it's been said before, who except for Koreans or Koreanaphiles would go there. 2) Natural landscape and here I think Korea gets it big time wrong. they don't do enough promotion and conservation in this respect. Instead we get the teddy bear museum.
To get asians tourists to visit jeju you'd need two things. 1) Shopping for the Japanese. And Jeju, with exception of the big Lotte and whatever resorts still is far far behind in the infrastructure and whatever. Jeju si looks run down and really isn't a nice place to be. 2) You'd need a huge prostitution market for the Chinese. Or bad ass casinos.
I'd say don't go in either direction but cultivate the natural assests the island has to over. That will never happen though. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think they should build condos on Jeju island. It would be a paradise where people could live in the future when oil runs out. Jeju would be self sufficient with farm land and animals. Everything walkale or reachable by bicycle.
The only concern I have is its elevation above sea level. Is it high enough? If current global warming trends continue, will Jeju be under water like Japan & The Maldives? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Natural landscape and here I think Korea gets it big time wrong. they don't do enough promotion and conservation in this respect. |
True, but attitudes are changing. Preserving the natural ecology of Halla mountain is quite an issue here.
And have you heard of the olle trails? They are all the rage these days and combines a Korean interest in hiking with the preservation and appreciation of the natural environment.
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| Jeju-si looks run down and really isn't a nice place to be. |
That city stands out fromt he rest of the island in that regard, looks like any other small, older Korean city. It isn't nor will ever be I suspect a part of the tourist infrastructure.
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| You'd need a huge prostitution market for the Chinese. Or bad ass casinos. |
Ahem... sure seems evidently existing, on both counts. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Dev wrote: |
| I think they should build condos on Jeju island. It would be a paradise where people could live in the future when oil runs out. Jeju would be self sufficient with farm land and animals. Everything walkale or reachable by bicycle. |
There are a lot of bicycle tours on the island, it being a popular vacation thing to do, even in January, I pass a few dozen cyclists on a jaunt around the coast.
And there have been huge wind power generation blades gone up over the past four years, on two sites along the north coast, and they look majestic or monstrous, depending on one's feeling, certainly one of the sites is within eye sight of a beach and hence seems a bit unwise. But the island is so windy that them blades twirl power endlessly no problem.
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| The only concern I have is its elevation above sea level. Is it high enough? If current global warming trends continue, will Jeju be under water like Japan & The Maldives? |
Nope. Oh sure, some of the west and east coast small communities might, but the two cities of Jeju-si and Seogwipo are surprisingly hilly, that is, is built on the lower slopes of the dormant volcano Halla, a fact you are made well aware of trying to cycle around either city. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
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| Natural landscape and here I think Korea gets it big time wrong. they don't do enough promotion and conservation in this respect. |
True, but attitudes are changing. Preserving the natural ecology of Halla mountain is quite an issue here.
And have you heard of the olle trails? They are all the rage these days and combines a Korean interest in hiking with the preservation and appreciation of the natural environment.
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| Jeju-si looks run down and really isn't a nice place to be. |
That city stands out fromt he rest of the island in that regard, looks like any other small, older Korean city. It isn't nor will ever be I suspect a part of the tourist infrastructure.
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| You'd need a huge prostitution market for the Chinese. Or bad ass casinos. |
Ahem... sure seems evidently existing, on both counts. |
well they're building casinos, right?
but as to the former, how could it be "huge", given the small size of the island? or are you saying that tourists, meaning other Korean tourists are big clients?  so the supply has expanded to meet the demand? |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever happened to the English village they were building? Weren't they building a small English town with American style elementary, middle, and high schools?
This was supposed to curb the rich from sending their children overseas for their education and keep them and their money in Korea. Just wondering if the plan went through and how it is going if it did. |
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tacitus14
Joined: 10 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, VanIs. it seems to me from your previous posts that your living there and I really hope that what you say is true. I just hope that they don't mess up that beautiful place.
About the prostitution thing. The one place that I went to that messed me up was Saipan. And the only urban area on the island turned into a brothel at night, I'm talking about the whole urban core and I think it would be god awful if that happened to Jeju. Less tourism is alright. It's smart tourism that's important. That's what I think Jeju needs. I think the whole food culture thing is something worth pursuing.
And ya know. 이정섭 lived there for a while during the Korean war and that museum was garbage. If they took one great piece from the Leeum in the Twon, that museum would be bangin' and a must see. They should do something like that. Send a lotta work that way.
To that guy talking about a place to live after oil...later for that |
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tacitus14
Joined: 10 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok sorry VanIs. I saw your where at or whatever... I realise now you're not living there. I see where you're at. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| tacitus14 wrote: |
| Ok sorry VanIs. I saw your where at or whatever... I realise now you're not living there. I see where you're at. |
Seogwipo! on the southern coast of Jeju. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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About the prostitution thing. The one place that I went to that messed me up was Saipan. And the only urban area on the island turned into a brothel at night, I'm talking about the whole urban core and I think it would be god awful if that happened to Jeju. Less tourism is alright. It's smart tourism that's important. That's what I think Jeju needs. I think the whole food culture thing is something worth pursuing.
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Prostitution is here to stay. It will never ever go away and it's been here since day one.
Every country has hookers/red light districts/massage joints, etc.
Korea has its share for sure; barber shops fronting as hooker places, golf courses..(the caddies/er...the 19th hole), sports massage places, regular massage places, coffee shop/bike gals, the list is endless.
The majority of males will at one time or another "try one of these places." Why do you think the P.I and Thailand have so many male visitors?!?
Sex tours.
Same with Japan.
Korea? Rumor has it that while the K women are sexy, etc....one gets more bang for the buck elsewhere, and cheeper, which is why Jeju and elsewhere in korea are not popular. It is pretty much well known that the Chinese, Japanese, Filippino and Thai women are better at what they do when compared to the K women as far as foreigners are concerned.
And NO, I have no experience in his matter...but I certainly have many friends who are always telling me about it and info is widly available on the WEB stating the same thing. |
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