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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| HollyLove wrote: |
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I vote you'll be considered a sex crazed foreigner who is displaying herself in an obscene and lude manner, only interested in confusing young boys.
I do question the necessity to even ask this question considering you weren't born with it, it's not normal, you're supposed to be a professional well groomed teacher, and it doesn't serve any purpose to better your performance.
But then again, I'm biased. I think facial piercings are stupid, as are the ear kind. And tattoos. And drinking. And smoking. And anything else that if it wasn't for your friend or neighbor doing, you'd never have an interest in. |
Normal is subjective and changes based on the culture and society from which you grew up in. If you had grown up in India or Syria or even Texas, your perception of what is socially acceptable would obviously be different from mine.
People modify their appearance in multiple ways, not just with tattoos or piercings and in every society including our own. Using the reasoning you just presented people who perm or straighten their hair, people who wear perfume or cologne or even deodorant are doing something to change their appearance (or scent) that is not "normal."
Frankly it says a lot about you, that based on nothing else but the knowledge that I have a nose ring, that I am therefore a unprofessional, badly-groomed teacher. The fact that you feel as strongly as you do against piercings/tattoos/drinking/smoking is a product of the environment you were raised in (both in the home and the way you reacted to the social factors outside of it), just as my perceptions of came from my environment.
Also on a side note, at the time of getting my piercing I knew of no one else who had one, was not conforming to any type of peer pressure and got it and have continued to keep it because I like/d the way it looks on me.
Anyways your opinion is appreciated  |
I was partially joking, especially about it being "wrong" to do, but although I understand where you're coming from with the whole "normal is relative" ideology, the word I was looking for was "unnatural", not "normal". My bad.
Also, for the sake of accuracy, not to start a flame war-- I could also argue that if you had never SEEN a nose ring before in the media, from friends, or anyone in your entire life, you'd never have gotten one. That was my point in fact, not so much that you were forced or chose to to copy someone else consciously. It was more of the unconscious. And yes, I hate perfume and makeup on girls, too. Sue me
And to properly respond to your initial question now that you probably think I'm crazy, no-- it shouldn't be a problem at all, and you should ignore my ranting as it's more for mine than for your benefit as a momentarily bored insomniac. Tomorrow I'll tell you something different. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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No matter where you go nor what you're doing, dress and adornment can be passed as culturally professional if you're willing to compromise with the host culture. World leaders abound who make compromises in their dress in order to appeal to other cultures.
A small silver stud (perhaps gold if you are of Asian decent) would be appropriate almost anywhere. Only the most stringent corporate or military or hard-line conservative organizations can object to so small an expression of individualism if you do your part to look the part of the group.
You should be fine anywhere.... Just avoid the Taliban. They'll p0wn your sweet arse for less.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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As a co-worker, colleague, friend, acquiantaince, I would have no problem with a small number of piercings, tattoos, etc.
As a parent, I would be a bit put off. I think this is just a natural, instinctive reaction, however irrational, on the part of parents wanting to protect their children.
Reminds me of all the hipsters I went to law school with. As soon as they had to apply for jobs, every single one of them cut their long hair and ponytails, got rid of any earrings, hid tattoos, shaved goatees/beards/soul patches, etc. In other words, they recognized the need to look professional in appearance. |
I just hate the people who go out and get that stuff and then gripe about people staring at them or having policies against such things.
"I'm going to get a tattoo on my face to rebel against The Man and show that I don't have to conform to society's rules."
"What? The Man won't hire me? Discrimination! Outrage! Scandal!"
It's precisely that kind of emotional, spontaneous, indiscriminate anger at society based thinking that would make me not hire someone who had things like that. A nose ring or an eyebrow ring is a different matter, especially if they are small and the industry doesn't require customer interaction, but things like visible tattoos, 'exotic' piercings and ridiculous manners of dress are worn to 'get in society's face', so don't be stunned if society gets back in your face too. Respect tho for the people that do not conform to society's rules and don't have the whole victim complex- THe ones that have their ducks in order. |
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sagekate
Joined: 22 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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So I have my nose pierced and the first day they asked me to take it out. I had a really small gold stud but the principal wasn't a fan. They were actually nice about it, asked politely and I didn't really care so I took it out. I've had this piercing since I was 16 but it's not going to grow over or anything. You might want to take it out but the school also might not care. They weren't horrified if that's what you are worried about. I could have just ignored them but it wasn't worth the fight for me.
So in Korea some people might not like it, back home it was never an issue.
Like all things in Korea the reaction depends on the day, school, weather, person etc. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Most of your coworkers may smile or laugh about it, but I think that they will secretly think lowly of you and perhaps talk about you behind your back. This is another country, with a different view on piercings and tattoos so beware of the consequences!
Although, times are a changing. |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| my wife has one, and she is Korean. Don't worry about it. It is 2010. |
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Location: 1987 Subaru
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Teaching job dress codes do not generally embrace our personal fashion attitudes. I'm very attached to not shaving, shaggy hair and dressing like a bum. I've done it all my life. But I shave every day, keep the hair trimmed and I wear a suit. They pay me to look like I'm going to a very stylish funeral and give me so much paid vacation I wonder sometimes if I have a job or an appreciative patron. |
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Manuel_the_Bandito
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Nose Piercing, acceptable? |
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| HollyLove wrote: |
| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
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| HollyLove wrote: |
| I'll probably just wait and see if it becomes an issue but does anyone else have any experience with this? |
Do you think the parents in an elementary school back home would have a problem with that? |
My elementary school had a student aid with a nose piercing. In this day and age, I don't see a small nose stud being a huge issue. |
Sorry, I meant a teacher, not a student aide. Should have been more clear. Sorry. |
Actually I co-taught an archaeology elective at an elementary school with my boss from the museum I worked at and no one had a problem (either at the school or the museum). I pretty sure most didn't even notice. |
And in what country was this? Korea? I didn't think so.
Nose rings are things university girls with slack parents might do for a year or two to make up for all the rebelling they weren't able to do at high school. You'll be viewed as silly and immature, and quite possibly loose, whether you are or not. Can't you go a year without it? |
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smithy
Joined: 17 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| miljeong wrote: |
I vote you'll be considered a sex crazed foreigner who is displaying herself in an obscene and lude manner, only interested in confusing young boys.
I do question the necessity to even ask this question considering you weren't born with it, it's not normal, you're supposed to be a professional well groomed teacher, and it doesn't serve any purpose to better your performance.
But then again, I'm biased. I think facial piercings are stupid, as are the ear kind. And tattoos. And drinking. And smoking. And anything else that if it wasn't for your friend or neighbor doing, you'd never have an interest in. |
Wow! You sound like fun! Want to get a drink? |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| smithy wrote: |
| miljeong wrote: |
I vote you'll be considered a sex crazed foreigner who is displaying herself in an obscene and lude manner, only interested in confusing young boys.
I do question the necessity to even ask this question considering you weren't born with it, it's not normal, you're supposed to be a professional well groomed teacher, and it doesn't serve any purpose to better your performance.
But then again, I'm biased. I think facial piercings are stupid, as are the ear kind. And tattoos. And drinking. And smoking. And anything else that if it wasn't for your friend or neighbor doing, you'd never have an interest in. |
Wow! You sound like fun! Want to get a drink? |
Of Martinelli's sparkling apple cider? Sure. Anytime. |
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HollyLove
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Nose Piercing, acceptable? |
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| Manuel_the_Bandito wrote: |
| HollyLove wrote: |
| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
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| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| HollyLove wrote: |
| I'll probably just wait and see if it becomes an issue but does anyone else have any experience with this? |
Do you think the parents in an elementary school back home would have a problem with that? |
My elementary school had a student aid with a nose piercing. In this day and age, I don't see a small nose stud being a huge issue. |
Sorry, I meant a teacher, not a student aide. Should have been more clear. Sorry. |
Actually I co-taught an archaeology elective at an elementary school with my boss from the museum I worked at and no one had a problem (either at the school or the museum). I pretty sure most didn't even notice. |
And in what country was this? Korea? I didn't think so.
Nose rings are things university girls with slack parents might do for a year or two to make up for all the rebelling they weren't able to do at high school. You'll be viewed as silly and immature, and quite possibly loose, whether you are or not. Can't you go a year without it? |
Well ChilgokBlackHole asked if parents back home would care. My home country is obviously not Korea, so I can't speak about what parents there would think but I answered with his/her question with my personal experience of this.
While it's interesting to hear what perceptions of this may be in Korea, in your case I think you own personal prejudices are coming into play. Frankly I was only really worried if my co-teachers/principles might make of issue of it professionally, not whether they might personally disapprove of it (in which case I wouldn't care because again, I like it). Whatever their preconceptions may be, this will likely change upon getting to know me.
I really appreciate everyones input! |
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glassandshells
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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| my wife has one, and she is Korean. Don't worry about it. It is 2010. |
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