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| CentralCali wrote: |
| You must be one of those who thinks members of the military are automatons with absolutely no brains whatsoever. Here's a hint for you: They're not. |
Why do you think the military dictatorship would be malevolent? Perhaps you are having a "whacked-out theory" moment 
A soldier is duty is the preservation of the republic and her security. If it is authorized that American "terrorists" must be detained then they will fulfill that mission.
Soldiers do not have the luxury to elect orders. They follow them or they are court marshaled. Detaining an identified "terrorist" isn't nearly alarming enough for soldiers to abandon their careers and risk a dishonorable discharge -- a mark against them similar to a felony conviction record.
Besides, if it gets to that point, who is to say the minority of dissenting soldiers will fare better than the "terrorists"?
The day that we have to rely upon the excessive sensitivities of conscientious soldiers to maintain democracy is a pretty good time for the Second Amendment to resurge in military politics. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Having been a member of the US Armed Forces for 20 years, I actually do happen to know what a soldier's duty regarding orders is. A soldier is bound to obey lawful orders and to not obey unlawful orders. We've been relying on the "sensitivities" of the soldiers/sailors/airmen/Marines for over 200 years now. So far, so good, IMHO.
By the way, the term is court-martial. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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What CC said.
The majority of American soldiers have friends and family here...They are not going to be happy with them living under a military dictatorship anymore then they themselves would be.
Not going to happen. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think bacasper's thread title is really hyperbole this time. In a strict, who-really-gives-a-crap precise sense, no, the bill won't turn the country into a military dictatorship. But in a very real, it-affects-my-life-more-than-the-terminology-employed sense, yes, this bill could make it so the President can snatch up American citizens on fiat without judicial restraint. And that is a defining characteristic of a military dictatorship that America has yet to accept. |
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Reggie
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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These types of arrests have occurred, as in the case of Captain James Yee, but it is appalling that they're wanting to pass a law making these types of arrests prefectly legal.
http://www.eriklove.com/newblog/2009/04/17/president-obama-and-torture-former-us-army-muslim-chaplain-james-yee-reacts/
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| Yee was imprisoned without charge, and he said that �to this day� he doesn�t know under what authority he was held in solitary confinement in the maximum security prison at the same naval base where the Bush administration imprisoned Jose Padilla and Yaser Hamdi (both who were named as unlawful enemy combatants by the Bush Administration). Yee has received no explanation as to how he was imprisoned without the basic due process rights that should have been accorded to him under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He heard from a reliable source that his name reached President Bush�s desk in a daily intelligence briefing. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
These types of arrests have occurred, as in the case of Captain James Yee, but it is appalling that they're wanting to pass a law making these types of arrests prefectly legal.
http://www.eriklove.com/newblog/2009/04/17/president-obama-and-torture-former-us-army-muslim-chaplain-james-yee-reacts/
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| Yee was imprisoned without charge, and he said that �to this day� he doesn�t know under what authority he was held in solitary confinement in the maximum security prison at the same naval base where the Bush administration imprisoned Jose Padilla and Yaser Hamdi (both who were named as unlawful enemy combatants by the Bush Administration). Yee has received no explanation as to how he was imprisoned without the basic due process rights that should have been accorded to him under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He heard from a reliable source that his name reached President Bush�s desk in a daily intelligence briefing. |
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This is exactly right. They now want to codify the extraordinary circumstances they applied to Padilla to make it routine.
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| I don't think bacasper's thread title is really hyperbole this time. In a strict, who-really-gives-a-crap precise sense, no, the bill won't turn the country into a military dictatorship. But in a very real, it-affects-my-life-more-than-the-terminology-employed sense, yes, this bill could make it so the President can snatch up American citizens on fiat without judicial restraint. And that is a defining characteristic of a military dictatorship that America has yet to accept. |
To make things worse, there was the recent announcement that they would be using assassinations (including of American citizens) as a tool in the phony war on terrorism. This does not bode well. |
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