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Gord
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i won't cop it... your name is your name
i will not ever call a student by an english name unless it is written in the roll as that |
Yet you request that we called you "Wylde"? |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Call the trouble-making characters who are just entering puberty Shakesperean characters names.
My favourite: Polonius
Imperialistic
Arbitraru
completely unfair |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| wylde wrote: |
i won't cop it... your name is your name
i will not ever call a student by an english name unless it is written in the roll as that |
Yet you request that we called you "Wylde"? |
beats the shit outta calling me 'the man known as the man' |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| wylde wrote: |
| Gord wrote: |
| wylde wrote: |
i won't cop it... your name is your name
i will not ever call a student by an english name unless it is written in the roll as that |
Yet you request that we called you "Wylde"? |
beats the *beep* outta calling me 'the man known as the man' |
no |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| wylde wrote: |
| Gord wrote: |
| wylde wrote: |
i won't cop it... your name is your name
i will not ever call a student by an english name unless it is written in the roll as that |
Yet you request that we called you "Wylde"? |
beats the *beep* outta calling me 'the man known as the man' |
LOL well I wouldn't call anyone TMKATM to their face...if I met TMKATM in person, he'd probably just be "the man"
Now about giving English names. I swear it would be easy for me to do however here are two problems I see with it, and it is why I don't do it.
1) If I yell: "Hey David come here." The kid isn't going to have a clue I am calling him. Why? ...
2) THEY were born with a name. It is pretty insulting to give them another one...they are used to hearing their Korean name. So in effect the kid won't answer to David etc. unless I am looking them in the eyes when calling them.
So as I said, for elementary kids, it's okay, as you are at a hakwon. In the school system, I am not a fan. Remembering Korean names is hard. But if you want to know someone, shouldn't you make an effort to remember their names? |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Now about giving English names. I swear it would be easy for me to do however here are two problems I see with it, and it is why I don't do it.
1) If I yell: "Hey David come here." The kid isn't going to have a clue I am calling him. Why? ...
2) THEY were born with a name. It is pretty insulting to give them another one...they are used to hearing their Korean name. So in effect the kid won't answer to David etc. unless I am looking them in the eyes when calling them.
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Um, that's why you explain to them that they are all going to have English names, none of which will be any "better" than their Korean names, just used for the purposes of classroom and roll call. Believe it or not, it's not that hard to get the concept of an "English name for learning English" across. Then you teach them their names. You make sure they are looking at you when you repeat their names. Then you get them to say them. Multiple times if necessary. Then you test them. If you spend enough time on it, trust me the kids will have memorized not only their own names but the names of everyone else in the classroom. I'm not sure why you make it out to be a huge endeavour. Initially it will take maybe fifteen minutes and then depending on how often you see the class, a few minutes at the start of every class for the next couple of weeks. Done. |
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TJ
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: English names |
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I had an adult student whose english was excellent. He came to my class because his principal told him to, not because he needed to. He was a bit of a perfectionist and usually carried an english/english dictionary.
I will always remember him because he was always trying to catch me out, especially on the origins of english words.
I gave him the nickname of "Dictionary Man" which he found rather flattering. To be honest, his Korean name sounded something like "Bum Suk" so I preferred to use his nick name. |
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Toby
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss
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Have a mafia class - Frankie, Vinnie, Maria, Johnnie etc. Alwats good.
Have a Simpsons class. Very amusing. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| If you are going to have English names (which I am in favor of,) I in sist that they are relatively normal, mainstream names in an English-speaking culture. I will not accept "Stone Cold," but a learner is welcome to be "Steve" or "Austin" and we still all know what it represents. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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I once had a fourth grade boy who wanted his English name to be "Abba". He knew all the words to "Dancing Queen".
I use their Korean names unless they come to me asking for an English name. It gives me Korean pronunciation practice (especially if their name happens to have one of those vowel sounds I have trouble with.) |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
Now about giving English names. I swear it would be easy for me to do however here are two problems I see with it, and it is why I don't do it.
1) If I yell: "Hey David come here." The kid isn't going to have a clue I am calling him. Why? ...
2) THEY were born with a name. It is pretty insulting to give them another one...they are used to hearing their Korean name. So in effect the kid won't answer to David etc. unless I am looking them in the eyes when calling them.
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Um, that's why you explain to them that they are all going to have English names, none of which will be any "better" than their Korean names, just used for the purposes of classroom and roll call. Believe it or not, it's not that hard to get the concept of an "English name for learning English" across. Then you teach them their names. You make sure they are looking at you when you repeat their names. Then you get them to say them. Multiple times if necessary. Then you test them. If you spend enough time on it, trust me the kids will have memorized not only their own names but the names of everyone else in the classroom. I'm not sure why you make it out to be a huge endeavour. Initially it will take maybe fifteen minutes and then depending on how often you see the class, a few minutes at the start of every class for the next couple of weeks. Done. |
My opinion about English names, is probably the same as when the Japanese came and insisted everyone have Japanese names....forcing a name on someone just isn't right.
I will never force a Korean to take/use an English name. I know some will say it is "just for fun"...but in my experience it is because foreigners are too lazy to learn Korean names. Or Koreans feel inferior by making excuses that their name is "too hard to pronounce", so they accept taking an English name.
If you don't know a person's REAL name, how can you REALLy know them?
My students ask my Korean name...why should I have one? I tell them my English name "Koreanized"...we are born with a name, and I am one of those people who thinks it is insulting not to use that name. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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the kids insist that they don't like it or it's silly or it's too long or they would just rather be called Suzy One and Suzy Two. |
Well I never give two kids the same name, that's just confusing for everyone |
Ususally this situation arises when more than one student with the same, already assigned, English name get thrown into the same class. I've never seen a teacher name two students in the same class with the same name. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| THEY were born with a name. It is pretty insulting to give them another one... |
When I studied Russian I was given a Russian name as waere all the students in the class. If any of us felt insulted none of us let on.
I do try to learn the names of my students but, as a first time teacher here, suddenly being inundated by 100 completely foreign names was a little much at once. I learned them in time but the foreign names made this transition A LOT easier. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink
If you don't know a person's REAL name, how can you REALLy know them?
My students ask my Korean name...why should I have one? I tell them my English name "Koreanized"...we are born with a name, and I am one of those people who thinks it is insulting not to use that name. |
I agree 1000%. Look at any culture. Who gives you your name? Family. Most names (including Korean) have meaning, and the meaning is intentionally assigned to the child.
I have a hard time learning Korean names. But that is exactly my problem, not my student's. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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I have two students that don't want English names... so I call them by their Korean names.
All the rest really wanted English names, so they got English names.
I'm not gonna force something on someone... but I do think an English name provides a good state of mind for the class.
Heck, I've got kids that have two Korean names. |
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