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Grammar question: I could/couldn't care less.
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annuayim



Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Location: Midwest

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I understand the difference, I use "I could care less," because of the simple fact that it's been part of my vernacular for my entire life. I won't enter a classroom and teach, "I could care less," but I'm not going to change the way I speak because someone is "annoyed".

Living languages change and evolve. It may be annoying, and it may not make perfect sense in your specific dialect, but them's the breaks.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

annuayim wrote:


Living languages change and evolve. It may be annoying, and it may not make perfect sense in your specific dialect, but them's the breaks.


Well, that's just it. It really does not make sense, because it does not really convey the intended feeling accurately. It is an incomplete thought. It should be finished, something like this: "I could care less, I guess, but I doubt it" (ok, lame, but you get the idea).

As for the grammar question the thread title mentions, "could care less" and "Could not care less" are both grammatically correct, IMHO. But something can be grammatically correct and still not make sense.

Anyway, those who do not like it are fighting a lost cause. I think "could care less" has been ingrained into the language.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sector7G wrote:
I think "could care less" has been ingrained into the language.


By people too lazy/stupid to say "n't".
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annuayim



Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Location: Midwest

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
Sector7G wrote:
I think "could care less" has been ingrained into the language.


By people too lazy/stupid to say "n't".


Oh, well. Rolling Eyes
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Lunar Groove Gardener



Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Location: 1987 Subaru

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you SAY:" I have a b-a-a-a-d car", many people will get it; your car is great (some will not get it though).

If you WRITE: "I have a bad car", I think people will interpret the statement literally. Your car is junk.

Take the phrase: "You can't add too much water to the nuclear reactor".
One MUST find a way to phrase this so that it is precise, unambiguous and clear. This is a key goal of direct communication.

Of course, if you are the next Bob Dylan, " I could careless" is the perfect form.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on people, get with the program. "I could care less" isn't supposed to be grammatically correct anymore. It has or is in the process of being transformed into an idiomatic phrase--the bane of L2 learners. That's what usage is supposed to do--elevate phrases whether they are logical or grammatical or transparent to their rightful place in the pantheon. As Nabokov might say, "could-care-less: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Could. Care. Less."

Think of it as an upside down lo-lee-ta. Phonetically speaking, of course. Cuz it's always about the music.
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GreenlightmeansGO



Joined: 11 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Could care less' is incorrect. That is all there is to it.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no real "correct" or "incorrect" any more, if there ever was.

The English Language is the stupidest, make it up as you go along language there is.

People used to say how are you and I would say "I am good" then peole told me that i couldnt be "good" but that I can be "well"

Screw that, good means positive.

I have actually created a full month of lesson plans on the absurdity and stupidity of the Englihs language.

This is a classic example of where introducing negatives in this way is stupid an confusing.

Didnt you see the monkey?
Yeah

Yeah you did? or Yeah You didn't?

Yeah I didn't

So say "no" then

HUH?




In our langauge you have a rule like "ie before e except after c" and then have over 500 words that break that rule ( about as many that follow it) sorry then theres no rule

There are TEN different ways to pronounce "OUGH" in words.

Ravel and unravel mean the same thing

so does flammable and imflammable

Regardless and irregardless




SO as for this couldn't care less thing

I COULD CARE LESS what is proper, there is no such thing as proper in the english language anymore. we recently added the word "D'oh" into it for God's sake, there are no standards anymore.

Its impossible to be an expert in the English Language unless you have like a 180 IQ and graduated University before you hit puberty.

There is no organisation, rhyme or reason to the language as it was basically stolen from like 5 others.

We don't really have to look at "what does it literally suggest" when you say "I could care less" the meaning is conveyed, and that is the point of language, to convey meaning. Not to be snooty snobby buggers who need to correct people that they can not finish a sentence with a preposition( when you can) or start a sentence with "and" when you can, or other equally elitist crap that simply intends to show intillectual superiority.
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GreenlightmeansGO wrote:
'Could care less' is incorrect. That is all there is to it.


Wow, are you an English teacher? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Globutron wrote:
I don't think its american english/english english. I've heard both American's and Brit's saying both.


I'm a Brit but have never heard a Brit say both (at least for the same meaning). "Could care less" is one of my pet peeves whenever I hear someone say it but just bit my tongue to avoid getting into the debate which I used to always do.

The Sleeping Earth wrote:
Nothing bugs me more than "could care less". It's lazy and ridiculous.


100% agree.....damn Americans butchering our language Wink

anyways...... Very Happy

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rusty1983



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im thinking that 'I could care less' doesnt make any sense unless you use it differently? But as has been said above it is an idiom anyway so doesnt necessarily have to make sense! They sometimes dont make any sense whatsoever.

What is annoying though is that people have started misunderstanding the British 'I cant be arsed' (for 'I cant be bothered) and saying 'I cant be asked'! Please dont let this become widespread!!!!
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pangaea



Joined: 20 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:


There is no real "correct" or "incorrect" any more, if there ever was.

The English Language is the stupidest, make it up as you go along language there is.

People used to say how are you and I would say "I am good" then peole told me that i couldnt be "good" but that I can be "well"

Screw that, good means positive.

I have actually created a full month of lesson plans on the absurdity and stupidity of the Englihs language.

This is a classic example of where introducing negatives in this way is stupid an confusing.

Didnt you see the monkey?
Yeah

Yeah you did? or Yeah You didn't?

Yeah I didn't

So say "no" then

HUH?




In our langauge you have a rule like "ie before e except after c" and then have over 500 words that break that rule ( about as many that follow it) sorry then theres no rule

There are TEN different ways to pronounce "OUGH" in words.

Ravel and unravel mean the same thing

so does flammable and imflammable

Regardless and irregardless




SO as for this couldn't care less thing

I COULD CARE LESS what is proper, there is no such thing as proper in the english language anymore. we recently added the word "D'oh" into it for God's sake, there are no standards anymore.

Its impossible to be an expert in the English Language unless you have like a 180 IQ and graduated University before you hit puberty.

There is no organisation, rhyme or reason to the language as it was basically stolen from like 5 others.

We don't really have to look at "what does it literally suggest" when you say "I could care less" the meaning is conveyed, and that is the point of language, to convey meaning. Not to be snooty snobby buggers who need to correct people that they can not finish a sentence with a preposition( when you can) or start a sentence with "and" when you can, or other equally elitist crap that simply intends to show intillectual superiority.



Wow. Calm down.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calm down about what?

I would first have to be in an elevated level of aggitation for me to reduce it.

It's called a response.
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm American and I have always said, "couldn't care less" and so have the people around me. It's just like any other phrase using couldn't to express an extreme state: "I couldn't be more excited." "I couldn't be happier."

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Lunar Groove Gardener



Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Location: 1987 Subaru

PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:
I'm American and I have always said, "couldn't care less" and so have the people around me. It's just like any other phrase using couldn't to express an extreme state: "I couldn't me more excited." "I couldn't be happier."


This
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