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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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What is China then ? One party state. Still executing criminals. Still revers Mao. Did you know that they haven't changed their government?!? Only some economic policies.
What is China? Democratic? Socialist? No comrade.
The most surreal time i remember in China was the soldier standing in harbin. He had a Red Army overcoat and a hat with a red star in the middle. I thought I was back in 1945 Berlin. Most interesting sight  |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
What is China then ? One party state. Still executing criminals. Still revers Mao. Did you know that they haven't changed their government?!? Only some economic policies.
What is China? Democratic? Socialist? No comrade.
The most surreal time i remember in China was the soldier standing in harbin. He had a Red Army overcoat and a hat with a red star in the middle. I thought I was back in 1945 Berlin. Most interesting sight |
China is a right wing military dictatorship. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
| What is China then ? One party state. Still executing criminals. Still revers Mao. Did you know that they haven't changed their government?!? Only some economic policies. |
And what is the US? One party (with two heads) state. Still executing criminals. Still revere our so-called "leaders", who are nothing more than puppet presidents reading from teleprompters (whether Bush or Obama).
We are quite similar to China, and becoming more so each year. I'm not sure why you would be in the least bit surprised that we're in bed with "the beast". The original beast is our own government. Perhaps you were unaware that US firms funded, and transferred vital technologies to the Nazis, as well as the Soviets (throughout the Cold War, even during the Vietnam war). There is a global elite calling all the shots, and our country has been hijacked by the same people who funded communism and fascism in other countries. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| travel zen wrote: |
What is China then ? One party state. Still executing criminals. Still revers Mao. Did you know that they haven't changed their government?!? Only some economic policies.
What is China? Democratic? Socialist? No comrade.
The most surreal time i remember in China was the soldier standing in harbin. He had a Red Army overcoat and a hat with a red star in the middle. I thought I was back in 1945 Berlin. Most interesting sight |
China is a right wing military dictatorship. |
Yes, but they are still Communist in name and the content of their propaganda. One of my Chinese teachers corrected me today when I called China Communist. Technically, according to Marxist theory she was right, although there's no ambiguity in the title 共产党, Communist Party, which is the official title of the one-party elite.
Anyway, while Beijing is a Right-wing autocracy, some of the local gov'ts are certainly Leftist-Authoritarian in character. Shanghai in particular comes to mind. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| It is interesting how the transformation happened. Russia is probably best described as a right-wing military dominated state too. Vietnam as well. Is this the future for Cuba? |
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Zilong
Joined: 17 Apr 2010
Location: Broseidon's Lair
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| travel zen wrote: |
| What is China then ? One party state. Still executing criminals. Still revers Mao. Did you know that they haven't changed their government?!? Only some economic policies. |
And what is the US? One party (with two heads) state. Still executing criminals. Still revere our so-called "leaders", who are nothing more than puppet presidents reading from teleprompters (whether Bush or Obama).
We are quite similar to China, and becoming more so each year. I'm not sure why you would be in the least bit surprised that we're in bed with "the beast". The original beast is our own government. Perhaps you were unaware that US firms funded, and transferred vital technologies to the Nazis, as well as the Soviets (throughout the Cold War, even during the Vietnam war). There is a global elite calling all the shots, and our country has been hijacked by the same people who funded communism and fascism in other countries. |
Not in the least. You have nothing of content to post. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Zilong wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| travel zen wrote: |
| What is China then ? One party state. Still executing criminals. Still revers Mao. Did you know that they haven't changed their government?!? Only some economic policies. |
And what is the US? One party (with two heads) state. Still executing criminals. Still revere our so-called "leaders", who are nothing more than puppet presidents reading from teleprompters (whether Bush or Obama).
We are quite similar to China, and becoming more so each year. I'm not sure why you would be in the least bit surprised that we're in bed with "the beast". The original beast is our own government. Perhaps you were unaware that US firms funded, and transferred vital technologies to the Nazis, as well as the Soviets (throughout the Cold War, even during the Vietnam war). There is a global elite calling all the shots, and our country has been hijacked by the same people who funded communism and fascism in other countries. |
Not in the least. You have nothing of content to post. |
Zilong, do you want documentation fo what VQ has claims here? Prepare to be schooled. |
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Zilong
Joined: 17 Apr 2010
Location: Broseidon's Lair
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| The US is not in any way similar to China, whether or not American cash found its way to the Nazis or Soviets (and I'm sure it did). Paranoid global elite conspiracy BS |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah the conspirany ran by the Zurich gnomes, or is it the illumanatti? china is a free market economy, much more than many Western nations. I have never met anyone in China who does more than pay lip service to Marxis-Maoist ideolology. They had a car show in the small city I live in recently, featuring the new cadillac xlr 2 seater, and the mercedes sports 320 slk. Guy told me that they sold two of the caddies and one of the benzes that day. Hardly keeping with the classless philosophy, espoused by Marx |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Zilong wrote: |
| American cash found its way to the Nazis or Soviets (and I'm sure it did). |
That certainly is content. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Zilong wrote: |
| The US is not in any way similar to China, whether or not American cash found its way to the Nazis or Soviets (and I'm sure it did). Paranoid global elite conspiracy BS |
Zilong, you've got nothing. This is obvious since you are incapable of offering any real rebuttal (and I suspect not smart enough).
In the first place, American firms directly and deliberately funded the Nazis and Soviets (the money didn't just 'happen' to end up in their hands). This is an undisputable historical fact.
Secondly, China is very much the model that the elite would like to impose on the US, and in fact the world.
Both the US and China have centralized, authoritarian governments, central banking systems controlled by the elite, are police states (though America still has more freedom of speech), have eugenicist policies aimed at depopulation, and are corrupt beyond measure. Both countries are controlled by the global elite and operate under that agenda. There are many similarities. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| Okay I will rise to the bait. How when and what evidence is there that the U.s. funded the Nazi's or soviets!! if you are talking about did U.s. firms do business with nazi firms before the U.S. was involved in the war perhaps. Many who post on this forum , despise the U.s. and U.S foreign policy but use the U.S. invented technology, buy U.S. products so in essence are doing business with the U.s. So what stunning information do you have? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Okay I will rise to the bait. How when and what evidence is there that the U.s. funded the Nazi's or soviets!! if you are talking about did U.s. firms do business with nazi firms before the U.S. was involved in the war perhaps. Many who post on this forum , despise the U.s. and U.S foreign policy but use the U.S. invented technology, buy U.S. products so in essence are doing business with the U.s. So what stunning information do you have? |
The best authority on this subject that I've seen is Antony Sutton (former professor at Stanford University's Hoover Institute). He published several well-documented, scholarly books on these topics.
The connection with the Nazis ran deep. Financially, the Union Banking Corporation coordinated much of it. This bank was a venture between the German industrialist/financier Fritz Thyssen, and powerful banking families such as the Harrimans in the US. Prescott Bush (grand daddy Bush) was one of the top directors. This bank later had its assets seized during WWII (Trading with the Enemy Act), only to have them returned after the war, no questions asked.
Arguably the most important German industrial firm under the Nazis, IG Farben, was basically the German division of Standard Oil (controlled by the Rockefeller family). Standard Oil had deep financial ties and transferred all sorts of crucial technologies, including military, namely the technology to produce tetra-ethyl lead for gasoline indispensable for aircraft at the time. Without this technology, the Nazis would have had no airforce. This is documented by Sutton.
Then you have companies like IBM that helped coordinate the holocaust, which is already mainstream knowledge. The Nazis were also very much inspired by the eugenics policies in the US, namely forced sterilization. The US was the first country to force-sterilize many of its citizens in the name of eugenics. This is not mainstream knowledge, but easy to look up.
As for the Soviet Union, the same bankers funded industry there. W. Averell Harriman was one of most important (he even served as the US ambassador to the Soviet Union). Armand Hammer (who ran Occidental Petroleum, closely connected to the family of Al Gore) is another famous example, and his father was even the secretary general of the communist party USA.
One of the things Sutton documented was the fact that American corporations actually created and implemented the so-called "5-year Plans" in the Soviet Union. The first 5 year plan was planned mainly by the American industrial architect Albert Kahn. Western corporations like General Electric and DuPont actually went into Russia and built up the Soviet industry. The Ford Motor Company actually built the main Gorky Automobile Plant factories, which they knew had military potential from the beginning and produced the war machines, including those sent to the North Vietnamese to fight American troops!
It is also quite likely that the US provided the Soviets with the technology to make nuclear weapons (American firms exported in 1944-45 during lend-lease, on record, essential materials for atomic weapons such as heavy water, aluminum tubes, and graphite to the Soviets) and even MIRVed missiles (the only company in the world capable of making the microscopic ball bearings for the control systems was the American company Bryant Chucking Grinder Co., and they exported the technology to the Soviets in the 70's). The Soviets were pretty much entirely incapable of innovating these technologies on their own (communist countries are basically captive markets that depend on technological imports to develop).
Here's a good interview with Antony Sutton where he goes into more detail. He was not some conspiracy nut, but a professor at Stanford University who researched this topic for many years and published many scholarly books.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sCpsq55uic&feature=PlayList&p=B144BBF92D7F6B2B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=2
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats great stuff. I didnt know that Germany couldnt produce gasoline until the U.S. taught them how to. I was under some delusion that Germany led the world in Chemistry at that time. Sutton really knows his stuff. A definitive source if ever there was one. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Thats great stuff. I didnt know that Germany couldnt produce gasoline until the U.S. taught them how to. I was under some delusion that Germany led the world in Chemistry at that time. Sutton really knows his stuff. A definitive source if ever there was one. |
Yeah, I just edited my post to include some more info. It is amazing to research into all the connections that go all the way back into the beginning of the last century. Anyone who wants to understand the global power structure need only study the history of the banking establishment (globally). They basically fund every government (including revolutionary ones) and control all the major corporations. Most of the top names are not even household. Most people actually think Bill Gates is the richest man in the world (he's not). There are pools of inter-generational capital, such as that controlled by the Rockefeller family, that run into the trillions of dollars, all squirreled away in complicated trust funds. These people control the money supply and even interest rates through the private Fed. They control the boom and bust of the economic cycle (caused by central banking). They also control which technologies get developed and which get suppressed, enabling them to engineer society as they wish.
The reality is that there is an elite class of super wealthy families that operate as a shadow government in the US and around the world, and the general public doesn't even know it.
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Anyway, here's two more examples of the US elite directly funding Bolshevism and the Nazis (if anyone cares):
1) William Boyce Thompson, owner of the Newmont Mining Company (the biggest mining company in the US and 3rd biggest in the world), and director at the Federal Reserve, was a staunch supporter of the Bolshevik revolutionaries. He is on record giving them at least $1 million (in 1918) of his own money, and probably gave more. He also convinced others, such as J.P. Morgan to help finance communism.
2) Owen D. Young, multi-millionaire, gave a large amount of financing to Soviets as the first chairman of General Electric. He was also the founder of RCA (Radio Corporation of America) and NBC (National Broadcasting Company), chairman at the New York Federal Reserve Bank, and board of trustees member at the Rockefeller Foundation.
Young was also the author of the infamous Young Plan (along with his friend J.P. Morgan Jr., who would soon after go on to lend $100 million to Benito Mussolini), which was set up for Germany to pay reparations after WWI (Versailles Treaty), causing the country to go bankrupt in the 30's, which facilitated the rise of Hitler. The Young Committee set up the Bank for International Settlements (issuer of SDR currency), which remains as one of the main globalist banking institutions in the world today (along with the IMF).
Actually the list goes on and on... the elite have been working together (mainly behind the scenes) to control the world for well over a century. Almost all of their activities are documented, but rarely (if ever) taught in universities or discussed in the media.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30379428/Wall-Street-and-the-Bolshevik-Revolution |
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