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wylde
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wanna, gunna, etc.. is ok when you are teaching the low form of english (american) but we all know what we should say to have these words spoken correctly...  |
Since when is "American" the low form of English? |
umm England - English
America - Americish?
since it was raped from england and polluted with slang.
i am only stabbing with this.. i understand it is different.. i teach american english and swear it should be taught in korea. don't get on your high horse with this, it was sent forward to stir the many others i have stirred before with these type of comments. it was only a shit stir and a joke. please don't crap on about this for the next 3 pages. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:55 am Post subject: |
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ryleeys wrote:
I've been teaching my kids the concept of combining two words into an "informal contraction".
wanna, gonna, shoulda, coulda... |
Please don't!!!!! These forms are so overused in inappropriate situations here it makes me want to throw up. Especially "wanna". Heck, some hogwons (e.g. Wonderland) even teach it as the correct way to say "want to |
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So true... One Japanese professor I know gave a talk at an international meeting saying wanna/gonna all the time... he looked sooooo stupid!
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I can't add much but agreement. When I find a text with that crap in it, I don't use the book. Period. I am trying to teach writing to University students. Now I know where they are getting that stuff.
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wylde wrote:
wanna, gunna, etc.. is ok when you are teaching the low form of english (american) but we all know what we should say to have these words spoken correctly... |
Since when is "American" the low form of English? |
You are right to object to that. There are many well-educated, articulate Americans. Unfortunately, when the president of the country mangles the language and sounds like a country bumpkin, that is the impression the world gets. So the conservatives on the board should not be rankled by that impression- he is your leader. |
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J.B. Clamence
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, when the president of the country mangles the language and sounds like a country bumpkin, that is the impression the world gets. So the conservatives on the board should not be rankled by that impression- he is your leader. |
This is absurd. Bush's English is not the origin of this way of thinking about American English. This condescension is much older than Bush. But I suppose it was only a matter of time before someone on this board blamed it on Bush. I don't like Bush at all, but I find it a bit comical the lengths that some people are willing to go to to criticize him. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:20 am Post subject: |
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I was taking a bit of a jab with the Bush comment.
But there is a "populist tradition" of speaking colloquial English to appeal to the masses. I have heard it said that Bush mangles English on purpose for this reason. A lot of Americans don't like pretentiousness, and view properly spoken English as pretentious. |
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Groo the Wanderer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I was taking a bit of a jab with the Bush comment.
But there is a "populist tradition" of speaking colloquial English to appeal to the masses. I have heard it said that Bush mangles English on purpose for this reason. A lot of Americans don't like pretentiousness, and view properly spoken English as pretentious. |
Naw. Bush mangles English because he's a dumbass. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:59 am Post subject: |
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i dont teach anything but 'want to' and 'going to'.
there are right and wrong words used everywhere.. wanna and gunna are wrong.
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| It is simply a reduction that occurs naturally in normal rapidly spoken speech. |
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| Some teachers overemphasize the pronunciation instead of teaching it as a reduction. |
it should not be taught at all... you even said it occurs naturally then you went on to say teaching it as a reduction..
if it is not taught at all and they are taught the correct way to pronounce these types of words isn't it then a fact, if what you claim is correct, that they will pick this up by themselves?
please don't teach wanna and gunna garbage to your students. |
It's 'gonna' not 'gunna' and you *should* teach these forms because students need to be able to understand them in conversation and also to learn something about which sounds are easy and which difficult for native speakers - North American native speakers in this case, I know, but then American English is the de facto standard here.
Naturally you should also tell students these forms are not appropriate for formal occasions or written English. And you teach them that for the same basic reason, which is that that's how it is in the English speaking world.
Sorry, I just read you posted it as a joke so I won't go on and on about this any more. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| it was sent forward to stir the many others i have stirred before with these type of comments. it was only a *beep* stir and a joke. please don't crap on about this for the next 3 pages. |
i'm confused again. you were stirring shit, but you don't want the shit stirred? huh? 
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| But there is a "populist tradition" of speaking colloquial English to appeal to the masses. I have heard it said that Bush mangles English on purpose for this reason. A lot of Americans don't like pretentiousness, and view properly spoken English as pretentious. |
populist tradition? what's that? i've felt that way since going through uni. you can reach more people if you don't sound like a pretentious twerp...of course, the trick is not to sound patronizing or unintelligent, either. |
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ryleeys
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| I hope my kids that I'm teaching wanna, gonna, y'all, etc. go on to some of the universities some of you teach at... just cause then you'll know where they learned it. |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| matthewwoodford wrote: |
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i dont teach anything but 'want to' and 'going to'.
there are right and wrong words used everywhere.. wanna and gunna are wrong.
| JennyJJ wrote: |
| It is simply a reduction that occurs naturally in normal rapidly spoken speech. |
| JennyJJ wrote: |
| Some teachers overemphasize the pronunciation instead of teaching it as a reduction. |
it should not be taught at all... you even said it occurs naturally then you went on to say teaching it as a reduction..
if it is not taught at all and they are taught the correct way to pronounce these types of words isn't it then a fact, if what you claim is correct, that they will pick this up by themselves?
please don't teach wanna and gunna garbage to your students. |
It's 'gonna' not 'gunna' and you *should* teach these forms because students need to be able to understand them in conversation and also to learn something about which sounds are easy and which difficult for native speakers - North American native speakers in this case, I know, but then American English is the de facto standard here.
Naturally you should also tell students these forms are not appropriate for formal occasions or written English. And you teach them that for the same basic reason, which is that that's how it is in the English speaking world.
Sorry, I just read you posted it as a joke so I won't go on and on about this any more. |
mate.. it is the simple reason that americans can't say 'o' in the guteral form.. just the nasal form as to why it is spelled gunna..
snap oudda your english problem before ya lay shit on me |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
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| it was sent forward to stir the many others i have stirred before with these type of comments. it was only a *beep* stir and a joke. please don't crap on about this for the next 3 pages. |
i'm confused again. you were stirring *beep*, but you don't want the *beep* stirred? huh? |
this was done before.. sorry if you are 6 months too late.
it was stirred with the people i stirred it with before.
if anybody missed it.. do your thing... just don't expect me to repeat myself |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
| I was taking a bit of a jab with the Bush comment. |
i too was taking a bit of a jab with the shitty american english comment |
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