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| Does Dave's need to get more "Korean"? |
| YES, only sellers living and working in Korea should be allowed to post here. |
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| YES, also, only sellers working as teachers. |
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| NO, useless and pointless. Every man for himself. Why help other people? |
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yoja
Joined: 30 May 2008
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| If you find it ironic then you aren't reading it correctly. |
Well, you're got your panties all twisted up about the B/S/T KOREAN forum, ranting about posts of POTENTIAL scammers who are not even in Korea, and yet YOU YOURSELF ARE NOT IN KOREA.
Yep, you're right, I'm the idiot who can't read or understand irony.
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| If I want to post about buying and selling in Korea, where do I go to? |
Well, let's see. We have a few categories to choose from:
1.Buy/Sell/Trade Forum
Forum specifically for buying, selling, and trading.
2.General Discussion Forum
Forum for general discussion on issues related to *living* in South Korea. No off-topic posts here either!
3.Off-Topic Forum
Forum for *off- topics* that do not fit in the other forums.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that two out of the above three would be fine for a ridiculously long-winded DISCUSSION about what someone NOT EVEN IN KOREA feels is appropriate for the Buy/Sell/Trade Forum. And no, I don't believe that you "might" be buying something secondhand during your 4-day visa stopover. And since I have lots of awesome things for sale, I double-dog dare you to prove me wrong, ha ha.
Anyway, luckily your 'I'm-so-serious-and-I'll-fight-to-the-death' attitude to prove your OPINION is right means you'll fit right in around here. So come on over, baby. Maybe you could even become a forum mod! Ooooooh, imagine the power!!!
PS, if I vote YES, only sellers living and working in Korea should be allowed to post here, does that mean that you won't be allowed to post here? Just checking.  |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Lifeinkorea walks into a psychiatrist's office completely naked, yet wrapped entirely from head to toe in cellophane. The doctor takes one look at him, shakes his head, and says "I can clearly see your nuts." |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| YOU YOURSELF ARE NOT IN KOREA |
To repeat again, my point was regarding sellers outside of Korea. I am not selling here, but I may buy. This seems to be a difficult concept to grasp by some of you.
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| Forum specifically for buying, selling, and trading |
You forgot "in Korea"
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| Forum for general discussion on issues related to *living* in South Korea. No off-topic posts here either! |
So, what are you saying? We should only buy and sell out of Korea here, but not in the General Discussion section? It's a twisted rule considering they have an international board you can sign up for. Thank you for bringing up this idiosyncrasy.
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| Forum for *off- topics* that do not fit in the other forums. |
That would indicate to me that you should post there, not here, if you are selling something out of Korea. What point were you making with this third one?
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| two out of the above three would be fine for......DISCUSSION about what someone NOT EVEN IN KOREA feels is appropriate for the Buy/Sell/Trade Forum. |
As a seller, I agree. As a buyer, I disagree. If a seller from Korea posts here, I as a potential buyer should be able to post here. I also posted as a potential buyer seeking a place to stay when I visit Korea. I have had private messages and emails sent to me with reasonable and good offers.
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| I don't believe that you "might" be buying something secondhand during your 4-day visa stopover |
Check my post where I was trying to sell a guitar. Maybe I deleted that part. Well, I gave it to a friend. You want more details? Sangbong station. He has it. More details? He is moving in July. So, I need to pick it up right? Want more details? I will pick it up and I am thinking of getting some effects for it. Check this board. Someone recently has effects pedals for sale. I will contact them when I get to Korea and see what they have left. I haven't contacted them yet though. That's the truth.
I may or may not get other stuff. I will definitely not have to carry as much stuff with me, so yes I will be looking here for things people will sell. I have a blue ipod nano I might sell too.
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| I double-dog dare you to prove me wrong |
Keep your dogs.
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| Maybe you could even become a forum mod |
If it allowed me to police crap sold out of Korea, I would be happy to oblige. Also I do not, nor will I ever, sell stuff to people in Korea while I am in China. If I post in a China forum and a buyer sees my ad, then it's ok in my book, regardless where they are located. Look at the size of Korea and compare it to the rest of the world. Smart people will see where I am coming from.
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| if I vote YES, only sellers living and working in Korea should be allowed to post here, does that mean that you won't be allowed to post here? Just checking. |
It would mean I couldn't start a thread where I tried to sell you something while out of Korea. I would have to be in Korea, in theory and with a Korean bank account, to receive your money. I am in China now, so, if I tried to sell you my iPod and gave you an account in China to transfer money to, then YES, I would expect it to be deleted. Do you FINALLY see the difference here? Or, do we have to go another round? |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Lifeinkorea walks into a psychiatrist's office completely naked, yet wrapped entirely from head to toe in cellophane. The doctor takes one look at him, shakes his head, and says "I can clearly see your nuts." |
air76 comes to Korea completely naked, yet wrapped entirely from head to toe in cellophane. The ajummas take one look at him, shake their heads, and say "We can clearly see your nuts.
Stupid retort to a stupid comment. Anyone have an intelligent reply? |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Lifeinkorea walks into a psychiatrist's office completely naked, yet wrapped entirely from head to toe in cellophane. The doctor takes one look at him, shakes his head, and says "I can clearly see your nuts." |
air76 comes to Korea completely naked, yet wrapped entirely from head to toe in cellophane. The ajummas take one look at him, shake their heads, and say "We can clearly see your nuts.
Stupid retort to a stupid comment. Anyone have an intelligent reply? |
It wasn't a stupid comment. From what I've read from you so far I honestly and truly believe that you are a bit cuckoo between the ears. Seriously, I think that you are indeed nuts and that most of what you say makes very little to no sense. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Lifeinkorea walks into a psychiatrist's office completely naked, yet wrapped entirely from head to toe in cellophane. The doctor takes one look at him, shakes his head, and says "I can clearly see your nuts." |
air76 comes to Korea completely naked, yet wrapped entirely from head to toe in cellophane. The ajummas take one look at him, shake their heads, and say "We can clearly see your nuts.
Stupid retort to a stupid comment. Anyone have an intelligent reply? |
It wasn't a stupid comment. From what I've read from you so far I honestly and truly believe that you are a bit cuckoo between the ears. Seriously, I think that you are indeed nuts and that most of what you say makes very little to no sense. |
Yet, you reply. What is beyond this veil of dishonesty? What makes you want to fight against someone like myself who is suggesting to take measures to stop scammers? What is "cuckoo" about that? |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yet, you reply. What is beyond this veil of dishonesty? What makes you want to fight against someone like myself who is suggesting to take measures to stop scammers? What is "cuckoo" about that? |
I reply because I find Dave's ESL entertaining....I am currently working very hard to save nearly all of my income to leave Korea and retire from teaching forever, and therefore I have very little disposable income to entertain myself in this relatively boring and unsatisfactory (for me) country. Dave's ESL is free entertainment. I am not entirely sure what you are referring to with regards to my 'veil of dishonesty'? I don't recall saying anything untruthful....it is bizarre statements such as these that lead me to believe that you are 'cuckoo' and not the fact that you suggested measures be taken to stop scammers.
It goes without saying that I don't think that there should be scammers allowed on Dave's ESL, just as we don't 'allow' thieves and murderers in our society. What I am saying is that there is little to nothing that Dave can do to prevent scammers from coming here and really it is not in his best interest to stress over it or do anything about it. There are moderators who peruse the site looking for inappropriate conduct, but they can't dissect each post with a fine-toothed comb nor can they run a criminal background check and GPS locator on every person that wants to join this forum.
Ironically I have been scammed on here before, by a guy selling Xbox games...funnily enough he repented some months later and paid me my money back with a short note apologizing for stealing from me....but for me it's all about the risk/reward factor...over the years I have saved hundreds and hundreds of dollars by buying/selling/trading things via this forum, with every transaction requiring that one party or the other takes the leap of faith that the other will either pay after delivery or deliver after paying. By getting ripped off once I merely took a slight hit in all of the savings I have got by trusting people here (and people trusting me)....personally I wouldn't send more than 50,000 won to someone without a solid history of selling stuff, and I think that folk who send 3 or 4 hundred thousand are pushing the envelope a bit in terms of it being a good idea or not. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I am currently working very hard to save nearly all of my income to leave Korea and retire from teaching forever |
76 means what in your name?
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| there is little to nothing that Dave can do to prevent scammers from coming here and really it is not in his best interest to stress over it or do anything about it |
I disagree, there is a lot you can do. If you haven't been scammed, you have taken certain precautions. Do you think you were born immune to scams? Come on now, you are talking in a machoistic manner like someone claiming they can drink and drive.
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| they can't dissect each post with a fine-toothed comb nor can they run a criminal background check and GPS locator on every person that wants to join this forum. |
That has NOTHING to do with what I posted this thread for. I simply stated people could post in a different area if they are selling a product out of Korea. Yes, they could lie and say they are in Korea. Yes, there is nothing that can be done. However, scammers without a Korean bank account won't see any point in posting here then. Try leaving the country and opening a bank account with a Korean bank. Is it possible? So far, I haven't been able to do it. They request my passport, and they told me to come in person.
Someone would have to fly to Korea. So, again, there is no point. |
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Chambertin
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: Gunsan
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 12:20 am Post subject: |
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There is one very simple way to do this.
Anyone can post on the forum.
To make a new thread there must be a condition to meet.
That condition can be set up easy and linked to profile.
Unfortunately stupid is powerful and it wont do much of anything to stop the real life money gankers. Stupid is amazing.
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You must have current location listed as in Korea.
Easy right? You think that the people in Korea will list that on their profile and the rip off artists will just skip that...
NO.
The people here will spam the mods with WTF messages for who knows how long about the fact that they are in Korea but can�t sell anything. All the while the people screwing those who fail to think will operate as normal. (not that they don�t sometimes deserve an extra headache. Policy changes at a whim some days)
The second option of having some kind of confirmation that you are really here is even more nightmarish and will never work.
It�s plain and simple: DONT TRADE BY BANK ONLINE.
No matter how good the deal is, no matter how much you trust them lets face it people keep spamming inboxes and forums with retarded get rich, super deal schemes because stupid people fall for them, always.
Nothing anyone ever does will stop that.
Con artists are like prostitutes, they have been and will always be active and everywhere. Job #1, and #2, here always and forever. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| The people here will spam the mods with WTF messages for who knows how long about the fact that they are in Korea but can�t sell anything. |
How is that going to happen? If they have a bank account in Korea, they can sell anything they want (legally of course). I don't see the problem with a very basic common sense approach of setting some protocol.
Why leave the door unlocked to be robbed? If you are trying to sell me something outside of Korea, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME here. Go to another forum and try to sell. I am not selling anything outside of the location I live in.
What is ironic is this is based on living in Korea, where the basic E2 visa holder cannot easily get a second job, and when it's allowed, they can only work minimal hours. It's alright and dandy to put these limitations on honest folk, but if we try to stop scammers from participating here we are now "liable" for preventing people from selling stuff through another bank account which is not in Korea.
If you want to do something like that, I don't support it, and if you don't want to do it, then it won't affect you. You can open up many bank accounts while you are IN Korea. Money can be sent there. It's easy to do. I opened 3 in one week when I was in Korea.
So will we leave this up for every man for himself and allow scammers and teachers who want to sell under the table to outside bank accounts, or will we set up a system to at least go in the direction of supporting honest folks?
Make a list of banks that deal in Korea (KEB, KB, NH, WOORI, and blacklist crappy banks like Shinhan), they will not open accounts without scanning a copy of the person's passport (and often require seeing the ARC card), and then people know at least where they are safe sending their money to. It's not 100%, but it can at least cut down on the bulk of outside banks which have harder ways to trace a person.
If I move back to Korea, I don't want to dream that my local South Korean police department will go on a manhunt in another country for someone who stole 100-200,000 won from me (if it were to ever happen), cause they won't.
If I show them a bank account only in Korea, then they can at least look into it with minimal costs involved. They are a lot more likely to do that. Still might not help me get my money, but they can trace the passport number, get the ARC card info, and make sure the person has left the country. Sometimes, this "Korean" thinking can foster a better environment.
Both Japan and Korea have a better slant on this than here in China. If you lose something here, you've lost it for good basically. In Japan and Korea, they have ways to track you down. |
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yoja
Joined: 30 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| If you are outside of Korea, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME here. Go to another forum |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| If you are outside of Korea, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME here. Go to another forum |
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Why can't buyers out of Korea reply to sellers in Korea? |
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hamsteRRiFic
Joined: 22 Nov 2009
Location: going around in circles...
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| If you want to do something like that, I don't support it, and if you don't want to do it, then it won't affect you. You can open up many bank accounts while you are IN Korea. Money can be sent there. It's easy to do. I opened 3 in one week when I was in Korea. |
Um, can't scammers do this too? What makes you think that the scammers had people sending money to accounts outside of Korea?
The original threads said that posters transferred money to bank accounts (which is commonly done in Korea, and far less common outside of Korea) and when they realized they had been scammed, they went to the police IN KOREA so the police could track down the accounts since they are KOREAN accounts.
Did you even read the threads written by the people who were scammed? Nothing you are saying makes any sense at all, given the context of what happened. |
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yoja
Joined: 30 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Why can't buyers out of Korea reply to sellers in Korea? |
They can. However, YOU are not a buyer outside of Korea replying to a seller in Korea. You created a huge long discussion (in the wrong forum), you are offering nothing to buy, sell, or trade, and you are not responding to a seller in Korea.
I don't have any problems with whatever nonsense you are typing up here, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THE WRONG FORUM.
THIS FORUM IS FOR BUYING, SELLING, AND TRADING. You aren't doing any of those things. You have nothing for sale, you haven't stated that you're using this thread to buy any particular thing, and you have nothing to trade. You just want to tell everyone all about your ideas of what rules will make it impossible for people to get scammed while using Dave's. Fine. Plenty of people may disagree with you, and by reading the thread, it seems that everyone does, but that's another issue.
It's like you're riding a bicycle in the middle of a freeway while shouting through a megaphone, and then complaining that you have the right to ride a bike. ENOUGH ALREADY. Get your bike off the damn freeway. If you want to have a discussion, wonderful, that's what the other DISCUSSION forums are for.
I'll say it again in case you missed it: GO TO ANOTHER FORUM!
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Um, can't scammers do this too? What makes you think that the scammers had people sending money to accounts outside of Korea? |
Well, the thread started after I saw multiple threads posted to send money to some online site which has nothing to do with Korea. However, that doesn't address the ability to scam. I am NOT saying to put in measures to ABSOLUTELY abolish scamming. I am saying to take SOME preventive measures. If you just stick to Korea banks, meet in person, do passport checks, then you can verify sellers. The passport thing will be commented on later.
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| they went to the police IN KOREA so the police could track down the accounts since they are KOREAN accounts. |
I like that, I think I will quote it a few more times.
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| they went to the police IN KOREA so the police could track down the accounts since they are KOREAN accounts. |
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| they went to the police IN KOREA so the police could track down the accounts since they are KOREAN accounts. |
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| they went to the police IN KOREA so the police could track down the accounts since they are KOREAN accounts. |
BUT WILL THEY DO THAT IF SOME GUY IN NEW GUINEA DECIDES TO SCREW YOU IN KOREA? I doubt it.
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Did you even read the threads written by the people who were scammed? Nothing you are saying makes any sense at all, given the context of what happened.
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Nothing is making sense, yet you are coming to the same conclusions I am. Thank you for your following statement:
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| they went to the police IN KOREA so the police could track down the accounts since they are KOREAN accounts. |
NEXT........
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