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tfunk



Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
The only occasion I use Ubuntu is on old machines. I'm talking like 5+ old computers and laptops.

A guy gave me an old Thinkpad T32. This thing has an old Radeon 7000 integrated graphics chip. You couldn't even get standard Youtube videos to play without stuttering. No Radeon 7000 for Windows 7.

Installed Ubuntu, and everything installed great. Went to Youtube and what do you know, the video plays smoothly. I could even go full screen and it would still stutter, but it was watchable.

I think Linux is awesome for slow, old, or underpowered computers. Other than that, I don't see any reason why Linux should be installed over Windows 7 or OSX Snow Leopard on an early 64 bit cpu or faster.


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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried Ubuntu, I couldn't get my Wireless card to work so I tried Fedora and everything worked.
It even supported my video card.
That and open office what else do I need.

I did have to search for some other apps like VLC and a good DVD burner.

So far my Fedora functionality parallels my windows experience quite well except my computer starts and shutdowns much faster when using Fedora.

I imagine those that get Ubuntu working or their computers are as satisfied as I am.

I installed as Dual boot, I also used LinuxLive USB creator to try out each system on a Bootable USB drive.

I run both Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox for browsing in Fedora.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like the idea of Ubuntu and the free software for it, but it turned out to be a massive pain in the ass. I couldn't get my printer, midi keyboard or webcam to work even after hours of web trawling. It was much easier just to boot up W7 and have everything work straight away. Plus, I need IE for certain tasks as well, and I play games sometimes.
W7 might not be the best, but it is the most versatile OS at the moment.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
I really like the idea of Ubuntu and the free software for it, but it turned out to be a massive pain in the ass. I couldn't get my printer, midi keyboard or webcam to work even after hours of web trawling. It was much easier just to boot up W7 and have everything work straight away. Plus, I need IE for certain tasks as well, and I play games sometimes.
W7 might not be the best, but it is the most versatile OS at the moment.


Try Fedora, I got all the stuff to work with very little effort.

It is true that Linux is not for casual users but these newer releases are pretty good.
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tfunk



Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody looking to experiment with Linux should check out:

http://wubi-installer.org/

Uber easy.
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blade



Joined: 30 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ubuntu post install guide:

http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-post-install-guide-what-to.html
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blade



Joined: 30 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfunk wrote:
Anybody looking to experiment with Linux should check out:

http://wubi-installer.org/

Uber easy.

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lost at sea



Joined: 27 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to say a few things about all of this--

One:

Ubuntu is like Linux easy mode. I dislike a lot of the popular distributions of Linux because they tend to be bloated and lack real-- shine to em' Ubuntu is one of the most popular distributions. I have used Ubuntu and I didn't like it much-- it has a lot of bloat, and the Gnome DE is heavy, and not good for slow machines. If you're looking for a lightweight version of Ubuntu (built for low end machines) or if you're looking for a lightweight, very fast version of Ubuntu, you should lookup Lubuntu, it's Ubuntu with an LXDE desktop environment, instead of Gnome. Lubuntu is more neergy efficient as well-- may even give your laptop an extra hour or so.

http://lubuntu.net/

Screen shots of Lubuntu in action: http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Lubuntu-Screenshot-50492.html

I think Lubuntu is much better than Ubuntu, but still not up to my standards. If you're looking for something off the beaten path-- try Vector Linux, it also uses LXDE, but it's not based on Ubuntu or Debian Linux code:

http://vectorlinux.com/screenshots

Vector Linux wasn't up to my standards either-- it was faster than Lubuntu and leagues faster than Ubuntu. I kept trying more distributions. I found some more as well:

Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/
Gentoo: http://www.gentoo.org/
OpenSuse: http://en.opensuse.org/Download
Linux Mint: http://www.linuxmint.com/

Puppy Linux: http://puppylinux.org/main/index.php?file=Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm

Dream Linux: http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/

Kubuntu: http://www.kubuntu.org/
Xubuntu: http://www.xubuntu.org/
Edubuntu: http://edubuntu.org/

Note: Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with the KDE desktop environment, and Xubuntu is Ubuntu with the Xfce DE. Edubuntu is Ubuntu, but built for teachers and students.


Phew-- I tried em' all. What did I think? Too bloated, some better than others, but still too bloated. My top 3 mainstream Linux distributions:

1: Gentoo
2: Vector Linux
3: Lubuntu or Linux Mint

But there is something greater, better than all of them mentioned. It's my personal favorite-- the holy grail of Linux distributions (one of them!). It's Archlinux. Hailed among Linux users as one of the most advanced (next to Slackware) Linux versions out there. Archlinux has a philosophy known as the Arch Way. It's a design philosophy that is, in short, to keep the OS completely transparent and hide nothing from its owner and maintainer. In fact, when you install Arch's base, it's nothing more than the Linux Kernel and a command line. You must build it from the ground up yourself. It's not a distribution for newbies or even light "Linux users." It's advanced, and if you're afraid to get down and dirty-- read a lot, learn how the OS works, and build it from the ground up, then it's not for you. I happened to build my own OS, and it's something like a combination of every Linux I posted I above. I took each and every aspect I liked from those distributions and placed it in my OWN. I didn't put in anything I don't like, or don't want. That's how an OS should be, the Arch Way

Here is a screen shot of my current Arch machine-- I love it. It boots up in 14 seconds flat, has every application I need and want, and is simple, the way I like it.

I used: LXDE as my DE, I used OpenBox as my WM, I don't use a DM, I installed only light weight applications.

Lost at Sea's OS: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5096/screenshot201006060314.png

Archlinux: http://www.archlinux.org/

I am working on building a distribution based on Arch's base, and building it for educators and students. I wrote a little about it here:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=184741





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lost at sea



Joined: 27 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone use Ubuntu ? Reply with quote

PenName wrote:


My fears are about losing Windows and not being able to use all the programs I have (from the internet). AND about not being able to reconnect to the internet without some professional help.


This is a very likely scenario concerning wireless. It can be troublesome to set up wireless on a Linux system. Sometimes it works out the box, and sometimes it doesn't . As for a standard ethernet connection --> it will most likely work out of the box.

You are new to Linux, and you most likely are inexperienced with a command line, and troubleshooting Linux is nothing more than command line operations. You have no pretty colors or nice Windows popups to tell you what to try and what to do. You are pretty much expected to know how your system works and where everything is located and how to fix it. If you have access to the web and you are able to Google questions and answers you shouldn't have a problem, but if you are internet-less then you are up the creek without a paddle, or however the expression goes.

As for programs. I am willing to bet you can find a replacement for every application you use on Windows, minus a few specialized softwares. Specialized would be software designed for a very specific purpose-- most likely you don't have any software like that.

Your Windows OS can go unharmed as long as you install Linux correctly.

A hard drive can only contain 4 primary partitions. As long as you have one partition free you can install Linux without harming Windows. If you are unsure how many partitions you have free, you most likely don't use more than 1 or 2 without a default Windows installation unless the manufacturer installed a recovery partition and an extra storage partition. Then you most likely have 3 partitions Windows OS, Storage and a recovery partition. Windows 7 comes partitioned like that and Windows Vista may, I am unsure. Either way you will have a 4th partition free, so as long as you don't delete any of those partitions being used you will be fine.
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buildbyflying



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: To your right. No, your other right.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lost at sea,
you're familiar with linux. that's great.
However if any linux distribution is going to gain ground it's going to have to be user-friendly i.e. attractive, practical, automatic.
I'll second Mint. It's always been attractive and reasonably compatible. Puppy was cool when flash space was more limited... and Lubuntu looks like a great resource for older xp-era pc's/netbooks.
But I've been using Intrepid for a couple of months regularly and I love it. It's a bit awkward, but pretty intuitive. Canonical is on the right path.
Of course, here's my spiel to you: if you're coding, debugging, then getting behind ubuntu helps the open-source community as a whole. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and (most especially) Edubuntu needs less detractors and more tinkerers.
Edubuntu could use programmers for EFL software... it's pretty slim pickings. And being proactive says a lot more than turning up your nose.
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lost at sea



Joined: 27 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buildbyflying wrote:
lost at sea,
you're familiar with linux. that's great.
However if any linux distribution is going to gain ground it's going to have to be user-friendly i.e. attractive, practical, automatic.
I'll second Mint. It's always been attractive and reasonably compatible. Puppy was cool when flash space was more limited... and Lubuntu looks like a great resource for older xp-era pc's/netbooks.
But I've been using Intrepid for a couple of months regularly and I love it. It's a bit awkward, but pretty intuitive. Canonical is on the right path.
Of course, here's my spiel to you: if you're coding, debugging, then getting behind ubuntu helps the open-source community as a whole. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and (most especially) Edubuntu needs less detractors and more tinkerers.
Edubuntu could use programmers for EFL software... it's pretty slim pickings. And being proactive says a lot more than turning up your nose.


Most distributions are more similar than they are different. Basically it comes down to a few differences:

- What DE (desktop environment) does it use? Ubuntu uses Gnome, Kubuntu uses KDE, Xubuntu uses XFCE, Lubuntu uses LXDE, and everything else is virtually the same...

- What WM (window manager) does it use? Gnome is built with the Nautilus WM etc.

- What DM (display manager) does it use (if any)? Slim, GDM or no DM at all?

- What package manager does it use (if any), and how updated and regulated are the repositories, and do they include experimental builds or only stable builds. Archlinux uses Pacman, Gentoo uses Portage etc.

- What default 'packages' come installed out of the box? This is the real kicker for me... I will explain why I think so.

Every Linux build is built off the Linux kernel, and that is something that won't change. The biggest difference is the DE, WM and the default packages.

My gripe with Ubuntu, it comes packaged with a lot of stuff. A majority of which I don't use (or I end up replacing with other applications I do use). The pain in the butt aspect is, some Gnome applications can not be removed without removing Gnome itself. For example, you can not remove gedit text editor without removing the entire Gnome desktop. Isn't that a bit ridiculous? I don't use gedit, I don't like it. I use nano. Why can't I just replace it if I don't like? Total lack of modularity, and if people don't use something they shouldn't be forced to keep it on their system. Lacks minimalism. Because Ubuntu doesn't want us to have those freedoms. It's just a small example, but this goes on and on. Ubuntu also comes equipped with compiz, which hogs about 20% of your OpenGL performance. I don't need or want compiz, sure I can uninstall it, reconfigure my xorf.cong and make sure everything is hunky dory, but why should I have to fix so much crap with an OS? Why can't it just do what I want it to from the start?

I am not here to complain about it-- but that carries me to the next point. Distributions have their purpose. Ubuntu is mainstream, and yes it does work and it is wonderful for many users. It's not good for every user-- but it will meet the needs of many. It will open many people up to the Linux world, and that's great. My first experience with Linux was with the original Unix OS, and I hated it. Then I tried Ubuntu a year or so later and I was liking it. Slowly I learned more and more about Linux and I eventually found a distribution that fits my needs.

Every user has their needs, and the purpose of many distributions is to try an meet the needs of different people. There are 'user friendly' distributions, and those distros are aimed at people that are either:

A) Not experienced enough to handle other Linux OSes and need assistance in the form of user friendly-ness

B) Coming straight from Windows or Mac and need something familiar

C) Don't have the time or ambition to go out of their way and set up a more advanced distribution AKA, looking for a quick Linux fix to fit most of their needs.

That basically describes the entire Linux spectrum. On one hand you have users that are either inexperienced or looking for a quick fix, and at the other end you have users that want a finely tuned Linux OS based on their needs and only their needs.

Picking the right distribution is key. That is why I tried to give a little personal history with the distributions I tried, and finally have found a distribution I am satisfied with, which is Archlinux. However a vast majority of Linux users (or users to be) will not like Arch and will be unable to use it anyway. It's not for everyone and I never meant to push anyone towards it, at least isn't how I wanted to sound.

Best advice is for new users to find a bunch of distributions and read, read, read, and pick one that sounds the best for them.

As for the community, I think no matter which distribution you are involved with-- the entire community benefits. What works on one distribution will almost certainly work on another (even if it needs some tweaking). That is really the beauty of open source and Linux in general--

I most likely would back Edubuntu instead of making my own distro, but the fact that you're stuck with Gnome, Nautilus and a bunch of Gnome packages and applications really puts me off. Ubuntu lacks 'modularity' and 'minimalism' which are two things I value a lot. I also think students and teachers should have those benefits.
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