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the saint
Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Location: not there yet...
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I heard of some proud foreign dork in Japan who was so stuffed with his own ability at chopsticks that he asked for a pair in Coco's Curry house to eat his curry with. The waitress balked, reluctantly gave him a pair and the whole place watched him struggle through his curry-rice with them. He managed it and left ignorant of the fact that no Japanese person eats curry with chopsticks.
Know anyone else who "prefers" chopsticks over other eating tools because they think it makes them look hard and culturally adjusted? |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| yea, that's how you can tell people who know how to use chopsticks from people who don't...by whether they know when not to use them. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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A chopstick discussion yes.
A choptsick pissing match to see wjo is better nope.
I do notice the small details phadreus. I don't however see chopstick use as something to compare about.
No big deal.
As for what utensils people use thats an interesting topic in that it relates to culture and eating habits (i.e. diet).
To say that you notice some could use them better or that you use them better is sort of useless in my opinion.
Also, who is to judge that a person could use them "better".
If the person that you feel could use them better is happy with the way they use it then its not wrong or less efficient is it. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
Also, who is to judge that a person could use them "better".
If the person that you feel could use them better is happy with the way they use it then its not wrong or less efficient is it. |
Just for the sake of principle, I would guess if a person used chopsticks as shown in the links you could deem them a better user than one who does differently. The links also have other cool stuff.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Chopsticks
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2039.html
http://www.web-holidays.com/lunar/chop.asp
http://www.japanweb.co.uk/listing/hashi.htm
I think chopstick usage on one level is an art, and proper technique is required and desired.
If you are just hungry, then you can poke, skewer, and whatever else.
But, just as you can drink tea or drink tea ceremoniously and properly, you can eat with chopsticks like a barbarian or you can eat with chopsticks like Yangban. (My culture rant, don't take too seriously)
Seriously though, the 'better than' part comes from the fact that I've participated in chopstick conversations where Koreans just say "You use them better than I do, I never learned properly in childhood." These particular people are actually teased by their co-workers. After hearing these statements I started looking closely at the way people use them, and very few use them very very deftly. A lot of people kind of have them bunched together awkwardly. Most seem happy to pick up kim with their hand and place rice in it. I like watching someone snatch kim with their chopsticks and wrap rice all up in one swift movement. I also enjoy seeing kimchi cutting with reverse chopstick movements and other really cool stuff rather than putting one chopstick in each hand to cut it apart. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:30 am Post subject: |
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I can do a plate of corn in a minute.
Pat on the back thanks Homer  |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Jesus people..this is hilarious!
You are discussing ability with a basic eating utensil and then patting each other on the back for being able to use it well  
Then, some of you proceed to enter into a pissing contest by saying you are just "better" then the locals at eating with basic utensils...whoo hooo
Whats next 
I can see it now: " Hey did you know I can use a spoon better then (insert group of your choice)" |
Homer, I encourage people not to give one day's notice but to do the runner instead-Korean hogwan owners need to learn the lesson |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:24 am Post subject: |
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TMKATM,
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| Pat on the back thanks Homer |
No problem its my pleasure.
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| Homer, I encourage people not to give one day's notice but to do the runner instead-Korean hogwan owners need to learn the lesson |
That will not teach any lesson to the hakwon owners beyond this one: you can't rely on western teachers so make the rules tougher and lower the level of trust. Thats sad but all too ofen true.
Giving proper notice on the other hand can have a positive influence on the owner(s).
How?
a) Give notice.
b) If the employer balks or cheats go to the Labor board.
c) Labor board fixes the problem or it doesnt.
If it does then the owner DID learn a lesson: don't cheat or there will be LEGAL consequences and these included bad publicity for the hakwon.
If it doesn't then the teacher can run (as a last resort). Whats lost? One months pay but at least the teacher tried to improve the system and the owner will still have learned something (hopefully) by having had to deal with the labor board.
The above procedure requires effort of course and a sense of responsablity that goes beyond ones immediate needs and wallet.
As for chopsticks (back on thread now)....it's cool if, as a waeguk you use them well. They are also an interesting link to a part of Korean culture and can be used on many different levels (from the everyday meal to a ceremonial meal).
These are all quite interesting.
However, this whole he or she could be using them better or I use them better then them thing just reeks of a pissing contest.
These are two very different issues....in my humble opinion. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Quite good. It was easy due to the fact that I had to use them everyday. |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:16 am Post subject: |
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I can't use them because I'm a foreigner.
(well...someone had to be a smartarse and say it) |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:14 am Post subject: |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I believe someone pointed out once that long term daily use of chopsticks can be bad on the hand. Or was that in the newspaper? Or was that just a myth. Seems like a lot of people then, mainly Asians, would have noticed, and adjusted? Anyway we could live without chopsticks if we wanted. But they do work well for some foods. Noodles, kimchi, other side dishes and "galbi" I guess are the best foods for chopsticks.
I can't believe an argument has arisen over utensils. |
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