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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| indytrucks wrote: |
| Joe Thanks wrote: |
Going backwards - in a nation where "our country" and "made in Korea" and "Korean version," and "Korea this and Korea that" are used to ADVERTISE a product, or as a sign of superiority- where such lowest-common-denominator logic is used so as to imply eugenic solidarity, fervent jingoistic pride, and as a reminder that "you're different because you're special: you're Korean as opposed to the rest of the world" - I am not surprised at the psychological damage it has done.
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Glad to see you share our patriotism!
The truth, of course, is that anyone can become an American and share that pride. There is no ethnic test one must pass.
On the other hand, even the few naturalized Koreans will never be able to proclaim their love for "uri nara" in the way that ethnic Koreans do.
Or do those placards you posted say, "Buy White"? "Made in the land of White folk"? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
Glad to see you share our patriotism!
The truth, of course, is that anyone can become an American and share that pride. There is no ethnic test one must pass.
On the other hand, even the few naturalized Koreans will never be able to proclaim their love for "uri nara" in the way that ethnic Koreans do.
Or do those placards you posted say, "Buy White"? "Made in the land of White folk"? |
Just thinking.. when I was living in San Francisco, my filipina girlfriend would always wear shirts with US flag and other similar things. It looked pretty cool on her actually!! I notice a lot of latinos do that too. Looks good on them too.
When you see just a regular white guy do that.. its odd that it seems so odd when they wear it. But maybe thats just city talk. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| buddy bradley wrote: |
| I'd support Korean soccer too if all my country had was the Socceroos... |
I do believe they just defeated South Africa 1-0 last week. If my soccer team is so bad what does that make yours???? |
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Joe Thanks
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Dudleyville
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I wear my Korean soccer jersey sometimes and they Koreans love it.
You very good
Daehan Minguk
There has been no problems. |
"The klan like it when you wear a white hood.
There are usually no problems."
Same rationale but with a spin.
Doesn't make it right.
Don't feed their jingoism.
Joe
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Joe thanks wrote: |
"The klan like it when you wear a white hood.
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I'm not advocating any supremecy, i just like soccer |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:16 am Post subject: |
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KKK = White supremacists
People wearing Korean footy tops = football fans
And the connection is ... ? |
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Joe Thanks
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Dudleyville
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| indytrucks wrote: |
KKK = White supremacists
People wearing Korean footy tops = football fans
And the connection is ... ? |
You're naive or ignorant.
Joe
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:04 am Post subject: |
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I lived in rural Korea in 2002 and even here, a very small city by Korean standards, there were some protests and marches through the downtown core. I didn't get harassed anymore than I usually did (small town mentalities don't change wherever you go in the world) but there was definitely a lot tension floating around. The olympics were also fresh with the whole short track debacle with the American skater Ohno (don't know if I spelled that right). My students enjoyed connecting their parents' hatred of foreigners to that incident, in my experience. The words "terror" and "Ohno" which were always accompanied with self-righteous smirks and giggling, were banned from my classrooms. I'd like to smack the parents of these kids for not curbing their kids' behaviour which IMHO was coming from what was being said by the adults around their houses.
However, around town and in my classroom, things died down a lot after The Reds beat the American soccer team in the World Cup. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| The Reds beat the American soccer team in the World Cup. |
I might be wrong but I think it was a 2-2 draw. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember after the Daegu subway fire, in which 200 odd people died, my sarcastic prediction of mass demos breaking out. I was right of course- there's been nary a peep. Xenophobic hypocrites.... |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: On topic |
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To everyone who has posted replies in response to my posting, thanks. Keep them coming.
But please, if you want to talk about soccer or something else, start a new post! Thanks for doing that with the kidnapping debate, by the way. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| I remember after the Daegu subway fire, in which 200 odd people died, my sarcastic prediction of mass demos breaking out. I was right of course- there's been nary a peep. Xenophobic hypocrites.... |
Outside of Daegu it has been largely ignored. What ever happened to the driver of the subway who took the key and ran? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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The anti-Americanism was a craze, a fashion, the latest thing to do. Koreans love to follow a fashion.
I know Korean girls who went to the candle vigils because it was an 'event'. They knew little or nothing about the politics of S.K. USA or N.K.
Sometimes I really think koreans are a shallow, sheepish people. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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I know Korean girls who went to the candle vigils because it was an 'event'. They knew little or nothing about the politics of S.K. USA or N.K.
Sometimes I really think koreans are a shallow, sheepish people. |
Anti-globalization/anti-WTO riots. We've got em too. Though back home, it's fringe. Here it is/was mainstream. |
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nolin nae
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Around this time, businesses began announcing that they were going to refuse to serve US military personnel, and in some cases, all Americans - or "American-looking" people - until the USFK pulled out, or renegotiated its agreement with South Korea that governs the legal status of US soldiers here , the "SOFA agreement". These restaurants, shops, PC bangs, and bars, often made a big deal of this political position, with signs in Korean informing all of the brave stand they were taking as they stuck it to the US by prohibiting entry to foreigners. These protests - pandering, really - were rather short-lived. By February, all the signs had come down, and the SOFA's still there. |
the lemon does a nice job of recounting those days. one other thing that lemon didn't bring up that annoyed me at the time was the demand that bush apologize for the accident. which he did, indirectly, through colin powell, i think. that, of course, wasn't enough, and the demand changed to a personal apology to the people of korea. i still can't figure out why bush was held responsible for AN ACCIDENT. i think the korean mentality (and law as well) dictates that someone is always to blame, there is no such thing as "no fault". even koreans know that they get overly emotional too quickly and then tend to forget about it. my wife uses the words ����ټ� to describe it; meaning "the disposition of a pot", quick to heat up and quick to cool down. she says all koreans are aware of this, don't like to admit it, and seem incapable of changing it.
the soccer game between korea and the US ended in a 1-1 tie. |
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