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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Professional sports teams were invented to keep common laborers placid.
[But a confession: my fantasy teams rock!] |
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
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| No, but the NBA is. |
Translation: I don't like the Lakers.
Seriously, if the NBA were rigged, BronBron would have a ring by now. |
Ever hear of Tim Donaghy? Look it up and ask any Sacramento Kings fan if the NBA is rigged. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quack Addict wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| CeleryMan wrote: |
| No, but the NBA is. |
Translation: I don't like the Lakers.
Seriously, if the NBA were rigged, BronBron would have a ring by now. |
Ever hear of Tim Donaghy? Look it up and ask any Sacramento Kings fan if the NBA is rigged. |
Don't need to look that up. I don't think the NBA is rigged and I don't think the NFL or MLB or NHL are rigged either. There are always going to be people who complain that officiating was bad and that games were rigged. However, I will say that that game 6 to which you alluded is the only time in all my many years of watching sports when I did think the fix was in. That 4th quarter was ridiculous. As soon as Donaghy started hinting that officials were encouraged to make some series last longer, I thought about that game because it was pretty sad. But that's the only game I ever saw that seemed rigged. Others just seemed like typical home court advantage, a few bad calls here and there, or superstars getting calls. |
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Quack Addict wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| CeleryMan wrote: |
| No, but the NBA is. |
Translation: I don't like the Lakers.
Seriously, if the NBA were rigged, BronBron would have a ring by now. |
Ever hear of Tim Donaghy? Look it up and ask any Sacramento Kings fan if the NBA is rigged. |
Don't need to look that up. I don't think the NBA is rigged and I don't think the NFL or MLB or NHL are rigged either. There are always going to be people who complain that officiating was bad and that games were rigged. However, I will say that that game 6 to which you alluded is the only time in all my many years of watching sports when I did think the fix was in. That 4th quarter was ridiculous. As soon as Donaghy started hinting that officials were encouraged to make some series last longer, I thought about that game because it was pretty sad. But that's the only game I ever saw that seemed rigged. Others just seemed like typical home court advantage, a few bad calls here and there, or superstars getting calls. |
I also think game 7 of 1993 Western Conference Finals between Seattle and Phoenix was totally rigged. Phoenix attempted 64 free throws (made 57) to Seattles 36 attempts. The NBA wanted Barkley vs Jordan so bad. What team gets 60 something attempts is a game?
I believe there is an element of slanting teams who will make the most money for the NBA and its business partners. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't (Orlando vs Lakers and not Lebron v. Kobe 2009). |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Actually I think events like the world cup would be difficult to rig. also N.b. A. playoffs, I do think there have been some rotten referees and some fixing so that superstars shine but too many involved and too many eyes to fis the games. .
Falling down well gravity helps and thanks for pointing out the role of the trippers Hwa , the art of sticking one foot out is not easily learned . Do the players ever fall down in unison now that would be teamwork. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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I believe there is an element of slanting teams who will make the most money for the NBA and its business partners. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't (Orlando vs Lakers and not Lebron v. Kobe 2009). |
Eh, I don't think so. The Spurs are TV ratings death and they've been in the Finals quite a bit. I think they do favor stars and so teams with stars may tend to advance more, but that's somewhat expected anyway since stars are usually stars because they are great players. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Looking at Nigeria miss two shots on goal at point blank range, you'd think so! |
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hwa jang shil
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Falling down well gravity helps and thanks for pointing out the role of the trippers Hwa , the art of sticking one foot out is not easily learned . Do the players ever fall down in unison now that would be teamwork. |
Players rarely fall down in unison unless natural phenomenon are involved, it just isn't convincing enough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_6b6Bk6bM8
this is perhaps the closest thing to synchronised falling, but there is room for improvement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyA_MB9l-b4 |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Eh, I don't think so. The Spurs are TV ratings death and they've been in the Finals quite a bit. I think they do favor stars and so teams with stars may tend to advance more, but that's somewhat expected anyway since stars are usually stars because they are great players |
The spurs making the finals aren't exactly a bad thing to David Stern. The thing that they have is INTERNATIONAL talent. WHen players like MANU and PARKER are ripping it up in the NBA and providing a good role model for Europeans/Latin Americans, the NBAs influence expands.
DO I think the NBA is rigged? No. But you can't deny that NBA heavily favours the large market teams due to TV ratings and jersey sales. THe refs can't exactly make stupid calls for an entire playoff series in one teams favour but they can tip the scales (Tim Donaughy?) with just one or two calls at the right moment. To deny that would be lunacy.
It is funny but the people to use the "dumb conspiracy theorist" label are usually LA fans. Funny in that the team has mostly had the benefit of the doubt go their way with regards to trades and access to superstar players.
Just sayin' |
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soakitincider
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| yes |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Italy supporter?  |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| They've got to change those horrendous diving rules - if a guy dives/gets tackled to the point where he is holding his ankle crying out in pain, it's only fair to send him off the field for 10 minutes so he can 'recover', right? Implement that rule I say. |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: |
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If you don't like football (soccer to those from the wrong side of the Atlantic  ) then don't bother commenting on it here.
I don't go on to the threads about NBA or NHLand comment all the time about the need for hockey players to wear so much padding, or why they had to make the basketball nets so high to prevent most short people playing the game.
back to the question, not it's not rigged...but the qualfinf playoffs were.FIFA ensured the so called 'top teams' qualified by seeding them, even though they had already been seeding in the original qualificationd the so called 'top teams' qualified by seeding them, even though they had already been seeding in the original qualification. Then when the French, who have been poor for 3-4 years now (pretty much since the last world cup) were playing pants and were edging towards being put out, the referee and his assistant missed a very very very blatent handball, sorry two handballs and so the french made it to the world cup, keeping the top brass at FIFA and UEFA happy. |
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Ireland is/was ranked 41st in the world by FIFA. Them missing the world cup is no big deal. They weren't getting out of the round robin stage anyway and would probably struggle to get a point. With Notre Dame and the Celtics I need a break from the "Irish". Thank you Henry! |
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the ireland
Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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I guess you're right, it's all about rankings!
korea - 47
Japan - 45
slovakia - 32
paraguay - 31
france - 9
Italy - 5
greece - 13
Australia -20
Even some of the lowly ranked teams finish undefeated or level on points with the teams that got through.
new zealand - 78
south africa - 83
don't forget the teams highly ranked that didn't qualify:
Croatia - 10
Russia - 11
Egypt - 12
and these are just a few I could have picked.
Rankings have nothing to do with it, we got out of the group stages in every world cup we played in.
perhaps you should let those who know about football to talk about it and you can go chat about netball or rounders or whatever it is you americans play somewhere else |
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