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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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 Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| so it brings me back to my original coment that what happens in that HItler video simply does not happen. |
Did you read your post before you submitted it? It's a video. About Hitler. Teaching English. In Korea.
Now if you were arguing that Hitler's favorite Girls' Generation member was actually Tiffany and not Taeyeon, I could understand.
For the record, I desk warm for about 3 weeks a year, and I don't mind or care. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Patrick Bateman wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| so it brings me back to my original coment that what happens in that HItler video simply does not happen. |
Did you read your post before you submitted it? It's a video. About Hitler. Teaching English. In Korea.
Now if you were arguing that Hitler's favorite Girls' Generation member was actually Tiffany and not Taeyeon, I could understand.
For the record, I desk warm for about 3 weeks a year, and I don't mind or care. |
Are you forced to deskwarm at the expense of your vacation days?
.........wait for it.......... and the answer is NO!. |
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
Are you forced to deskwarm at the expense of your vacation days?
.........wait for it.......... and the answer is NO!. |
Um, thanks, but I didn't have to wait for an answer; it's my life, my work, and my contract, so I already knew that.
I said I didn't mind desk warming. I'm getting paid and if the school wants me to be present at that time, that's their choice/right as my employer.
I was pointing out that you were getting upset that a video about Hitler teaching English in Korea wasn't up to snuff. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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my original comment was something along the lines of "they should at least modify that one line because there isnt a single teacher in SMOE/EPIK or wherever that is going to just be told "you have to deskwarm" if there are vacation dates available."
It may be a small point but that bugged me.
If you have a vacation planned, and no camp dates you are not "forced to deskwarm" you have to cancel a vacation if the camp dates get messed up, you are not deskwarming.
That videos sentiment is more about cancelling a vacation when the school changes their mind on camps and this your vacation dates.
the actual set up of the video is ridiculous given this faulty line of reasoning. As I said, its a small point, but a glaring error none the less. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Let's make this easy.
Hitler thought that he would have some days off because school will be out and he has no camps. He thought that he could use those days to go on a trip, but not need to use any contract stipulated vacation days (he went to Poland in the winter and used them up). Now he is being told that he must sit in an empty school and do nothing while all the other teachers are "working" at home or somewhere else. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hitler's a noob  |
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adventuregal
Joined: 31 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Seoulio"]Whil I found this video funny, some of the lines should be modified to actually address the real situation
1) They do not force you to deskwarm if there is NOTHING to teach unless you are out of vacation days
2) I have not once heard of a school saying" you have 21 vacation days to use, we are only doing 3 weeks of camp, that leaves 15 open school days where we are doing nothing, but you can only take 8"
3) MANY teachers do not get thier vacation dates in writing and go ahead and make plans. Then they want to get angry when the school plans something later because they simply forgot ( its not like they dont do other jobs at the school or deal with a hundred other people daily) They plan vacations and never have thier vacations actually official as per their contract.[/quote]
My school totally pulled a #2 on me!!!! They said I had to take my vacation... or teach extra summer school.. as a punishment!! |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| how is that pulling a number 2? they said you could take your vacation days! |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: |
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She doesn't want to take vacation. She wants to save it and deskwarm.
Maybe she meant #2 as in poo. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Let's make this easy.
Hitler thought that he would have some days off because school will be out and he has no camps. He thought that he could use those days to go on a trip, but not need to use any contract stipulated vacation days (he went to Poland in the winter and used them up). Now he is being told that he must sit in an empty school and do nothing while all the other teachers are "working" at home or somewhere else. |
Exactly.
But let's make it even easier.
It was said in the video that Hitler will only be allowed 8 days of vacation (that must be what he has leftover from the winter vacation). Hitler however had clearly planned a vacation for longer than 8 days, probably for the entire 6 weeks. He apparently is welcome to use his 8 days, but must otherwise come in to deskwarm, meaning he must either cancel his vacation completely or modify it to an 8-day one. His public school is taking a literalist, fundamentalist reading of the contract.
| Seoulio wrote: |
| If you have a vacation planned, and no camp dates you are not "forced to deskwarm" you have to cancel a vacation if the camp dates get messed up, you are not deskwarming. |
That sentence doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Please try to articulate yourself a little better. In any case, you are absolutely wrong. It's entirely possible that a public school will require a teacher to deskwarm in an empty school in Hitler's situation. It never happened to me and I'm certain that it's rare, but it does happen and everybody, except you apparently, knows that it happens. That's why somebody made a video about it expecting it to resonate with many people. So no, there was no "glaring error", other than your own pathetic misunderstanding of the situation. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Dear Teacher,
even though you have 21 vacation days, and there are no classes for 15 teaching days after you conclude your camp, we have decided that we will only let you take 8. thats what we are giving you, sorry.
Cancel or modify your vacation, we are requiring you to come in and sit on those days off despite you having an ample number of vacation days, and we have no duties for you on those days whatsoever
Signed, your school.
IF this is what you are saying your school does then I think the actual train of conversation derailed and someone messed up with a detail or two.
If this truly has happened then I guess you have a monumentally stupid admin staff and I pity you for that  |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Sergio Stefanuto"]
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| If you have a vacation planned, and no camp dates you are not "forced to deskwarm" you have to cancel a vacation if the camp dates get messed up, you are not deskwarming. |
That sentence doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Please try to articulate yourself a little better. In any case, you are absolutely wrong. It's entirely possible that a public school will require a teacher to deskwarm in an empty school in Hitler's situation. It never happened to me and I'm certain that it's rare, but it does happen and everybody, except you apparently, knows that it happens. That's why somebody made a video about it expecting it to resonate with many people. So no, there was no "glaring error", other than your own pathetic misunderstanding of the situation. |
what do I need to articulate?
If they mess up camp dates you may be asked to change your vacation, you are NOT going to be told to cancel a vacation to come in and sit at a desk, sorry you just aren't.
YOu are denied vacation days if it conflict with your teaching duties, not with sitting at a desk when no one is there and you have nothing to do
so again as my quote says
if you have a vacation planned and there are no camp days on those dates of your planned vacation then you wont be asked to change your vacation to come in and deskwarm
If they change the camp dates and they now conflict with your vacation then you MAY be asked to change your plans to come in and TEACH
so if you are teaching ( when you have to change these vacation dates logic would dictate that you are not changing your plans to come in and deskwarm, you are being asked to come in and teach.
And all thise can prevented if you do as your are contractually bound to do and get your vacation in writing from your admins.
Is that articulate enough for you, or shall I break out my new box of crayons
and no, its a glaring error, my understanding is perfect |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Oh Jesus, Seoulio, you are unbelievably dense. You are so dense that I'm surprised astronomers don't mistake you for a supermassive black hole at the center of a galaxy.
| Seoulio wrote: |
| If they mess up camp dates you may be asked to change your vacation, you are NOT going to be told to cancel a vacation to come in and sit at a desk, sorry you just aren't. |
Not relevant
| Seoulio wrote: |
| YOu are denied vacation days if it conflict with your teaching duties, not with sitting at a desk when no one is there and you have nothing to do |
Not relevant
| Seoulio wrote: |
so again as my quote says
if you have a vacation planned and there are no camp days on those dates of your planned vacation then you wont be asked to change your vacation to come in and deskwarm |
If you have used all your vacation days up already, yes, you may be asked to do just that
'Hitler' has clearly used many of his vacation days already and hence has only 8 remaining. He is entitled to use those 8 days but come in to school when they are over
| Seoulio wrote: |
| If they change the camp dates and they now conflict with your vacation then you MAY be asked to change your plans to come in and TEACH |
Not relevant
| Seoulio wrote: |
| so if you are teaching ( when you have to change these vacation dates logic would dictate that you are not changing your plans to come in and deskwarm, you are being asked to come in and teach. |
Not relevant
| Seoulio wrote: |
| And all thise can prevented if you do as your are contractually bound to do and get your vacation in writing from your admins. |
Not relevant
| Seoulio wrote: |
| Is that articulate enough for you, or shall I break out my new box of crayons |
Yes, you run along and play with your crayons. Perhaps they could do with a sharpen, a little like your reasoning skills
| Seoulio wrote: |
| and no, its a glaring error, my understanding is perfect |
Of course it is |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:03 am Post subject: |
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You clearly didnt read a thing I wrote properly so get my position accurate or stop responding.
If "hitler" is planning his vacation for more than 8 days knowing that his vacation was for no more than 8 then that would be his fault, there would be no anger, and the video doesnt say "we realised you only have 8 days" it says Your co teacher called, you can only have 8 days, then you have to deskwarm.
So all your "not relavent" "not relevant" "not relevant" comments are plain idiotic.
That video sets up ONLY That he cannot take his vaction he has to deskwarm, no explanation as to why, dont tell me that "oh this is why" when it isnt true
You want to make up explanations to better explain your point, but when I say those other things to clarify mine ( as ASKED by you by the way) you say "not relevant" when they in fact are.
YOu will almost certainy be asked to change your vacation dates if
1) you didnt get permission officially and in writing
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2) you need to be at the school to teach something.
YOu will not be refused your vacation if
1) you have available vacation dates
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2) you have nothing to teach, and are only going to deskwarm.
which for a THIRD or FORTH time was always my original contention, and why I suggested that that one line or section be written better as the way its written, it is not the case |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| That video sets up ONLY That he cannot take his vaction he has to deskwarm, no explanation as to why, dont tell me that "oh this is why" when it isnt true |
It doesn't, or at least shouldn't, need to explain. Its meaning is obvious. |
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