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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote,
"The picketting is NOT a good idea... DON'T try to work things out with this mug, get the hell out, but do it legally."
Good advice. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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To all who think i am whining about nothing... i made it explicitly clear to my big rich boss man that my living conditions were of paramount importance to me. I have 3years experience in ESL in 2 countries, and i was expected to teach 8 hour days. In return for this, I asked for more. He assured me that everything would be peachy. I even reiterated my concerns to the recruiter who nabbed me. The apartment details were not on the contract...You can all jump on me for trusting his verbal assurances.
So, i arrive after a 20hour connected flight at 3am....I paid the airfare myself. I am taken to the hogwan where i am expected to spend the night. The shower is on the balcony and the bathroom is open to the public. I refused on the spot and he suggested i stay at the family pad.
I suggested a motel. He refuses to pay. I work 6 days, 9classes a day this week, still paying for a yogwan. I ask him face to face if he is willing to provide what he agreed to...he calls me rude. He takes his time looking for another place. I finally have the chance to move in at 6pm on a sunday night. The place is filthy. There is just a bed, and a table and chairs. The wallpaper and floor are peeling off.
Tomorrow i teach 9 classes again.
So, if any of you want to trade places with me, you are welcome to it! |
I have no sympathy for ya. For someone with 3yrs of experience you sound like a total boob. Wouldn't warning bells go off if the guy told you that 8classes a day was gonna be the norm? Didn't you research the place before coming over?
I mean seriously, there are so many jobs I have to wonder sometimes.
If you paid the airfare over, and paid for the yogwan...wtf...do you seriously think this guy is going to treat you any better? You are basically making HIS job EASY.
That's another clue you should have had. If the school is too cheap to pay for airfare, what else are they too cheap to pay for? OBVIOUSLY YOUR HOUSING!
You have just learned a valuable lesson.
Your post is NOT new on this forum...if you did some searching you could have seen what to look for.
Now you ask for advice...my advice is go home. You will end up doing a runner at some point...if you were willing to pump so much money upfront, why not goto Japan? |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds to me like you are expecting sweet ass digs.
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Sweet? No.
Substandard? No
Free? Hardly.
His housing is a part of his pay.
Shoosh,
Ryst |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: dont teach |
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basically I would just say that unless things get better by monday and give a list, sometimes they dont understand spoken english but the read it alright. I will not be teaching....once you fix the problems here I will resume teaching....
No contract fulfillment on his part 
No contract fulfillment on your part 
Notice? Up to you if he does not fix things by the Monday I would just leave...no notice...no word..nothing...midnight run his ass
Then I would blacklist him.....what school is it? Is it already on a blacklist? Always scan through the blacklists it can save you alot of pain. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: dont teach |
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| Grotto wrote: |
| Notice? Up to you if he does not fix things by the Monday I would just leave...no notice...no word..nothing...midnight run his ass |
A midnight run would mean the poster would then lose all the money they paid to get here. |
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TJ
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: ACCOMMODATION |
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It's worth noting that Koreans' ideas of what is suitable accommodation are very different to Westerners' ideas.
My house in Australia is small and rather basic by Aussie standards but my Korean students saw a photo of it and they all think it is a palace and I must be rich.
When I told them I have two computers and other assorted electronic gear this only reinforced their idea that I was rich. They can't understand that this is my hobby which I can only afford because I don't drink or smoke.
Unless a Korean has lived in a western country they have no idea of what we consider to be basic necessities. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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If you paid the airfare over, and paid for the yogwan...wtf...do you seriously think this guy is going to treat you any better? You are basically making HIS job EASY.
That's another clue you should have had. If the school is too cheap to pay for airfare, what else are they too cheap to pay for? OBVIOUSLY YOUR HOUSING!
You have just learned a valuable lesson.
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Wow! i have grimaced  listening to you spout off your judgements before, but now that its directed at me....id like to point out a FEW THINGS.
First , i had the return portion of a roundtrip still unused, and tht is what i used to come here. The payment will be contractually reimbursed when the contract is completed. The director never asked me to pay, in fact he offered to pay.
Second, he refused to pay for the yeogwan. I still wanted to honor my obligations in case the situation worsened, and it has.
Third, I do not mind teaching 8 classes a day, and at no time did i complain about it. My higher salary reflects the higher hours.
If you are going to tell me that it is my responsibility to ask "is my accomodation going to be in a hogwan with a public bathroom?" you must be out of your mind.
The contract states that my apartment be furnished with certain things, and it still is not...8 days into the contract.
As per most of your posts, your comments seem to reflect the possiblity that you should listen more and talk less. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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You need to make your grievances clear to your boss and give him a deadline to remedy them.Maybe a week, but no more, or you'll stand to lose too much.
If there's no improvement by then, as seems likely, have your escape plan ready, and go. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
Mr. Pink wrote:
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If you paid the airfare over, and paid for the yogwan...wtf...do you seriously think this guy is going to treat you any better? You are basically making HIS job EASY.
That's another clue you should have had. If the school is too cheap to pay for airfare, what else are they too cheap to pay for? OBVIOUSLY YOUR HOUSING!
You have just learned a valuable lesson.
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Wow! i have grimaced listening to you spout off your judgements before, but now that its directed at me....id like to point out a FEW THINGS.
First , i had the return portion of a roundtrip still unused, and tht is what i used to come here. The payment will be contractually reimbursed when the contract is completed. The director never asked me to pay, in fact he offered to pay.
Second, he refused to pay for the yeogwan. I still wanted to honor my obligations in case the situation worsened, and it has.
Third, I do not mind teaching 8 classes a day, and at no time did i complain about it. My higher salary reflects the higher hours.
If you are going to tell me that it is my responsibility to ask "is my accomodation going to be in a hogwan with a public bathroom?" you must be out of your mind.
The contract states that my apartment be furnished with certain things, and it still is not...8 days into the contract.
As per most of your posts, your comments seem to reflect the possiblity that you should listen more and talk less. |
It is your responsibility to ENSURE you get what you EXPECT.
Did you call other teacher's that worked for the guy?
NOT having him front the cost of the airfare was also something that wasn't a smart move. So what if you used a return portion of airfare. WHY should YOU work till the END of your contract to get money back? He is going to earn interest on money you fronted.
What you just did was put A LOT of power into your employers hands. He sounds like the type of guy who would FIRE your ass at month 11 just so he doesn't have to pay you severence, airfare and last salary. Think I am wrong? I READ these dumbass posts and know there are TONS of them out there.
I don't care if you don't like me or my posts. Hopefully my tone will wake you up.
I can't believe I am the only one on this forum who thinks you should have done your homework better. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| I don't care if you don't like me or my posts. Hopefully my tone will wake you up. |
It is as though I am looking into a mirror. |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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chalk this one up to yet another 'lessons learned the hard way' don't sign a contract without checking out as much about the school as possible.
That said. Did your contract merely say accomdation will be provided or did actually say something seperate? Often vague contracts are offered as a way to get people over here.
You could try talking to your director as a way to solve your grivences bearing in mind that you want to win the war, not the battle. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Livid and being unable to think straight as a result is a very common, almost daily experience here.
i often wonder how koreans managed to come up with the single most irritating, and annoying country I have ever experienced....I mean you couldn't have dreamt it up... |
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FierceInvalid
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| I would just quit and make sure to get the release letter. You might have to pay some sort of penalty for quitting early (that was in my first contract, anyway) and it will be galling given the situation but just do it, get the letter, and get out. Even if you eventually strongarm your director into giving you what you want your relationship with him is shot now and it will haunt you for the rest of the year. Cut your losses and leave. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:32 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote,
Livid and being unable to think straight as a result is a very common, almost daily experience here. I often wonder how koreans managed to come up with the single most irritating, and annoying country I have ever experienced....I mean you couldn't have dreamt it up...
rapier and others, have you seen these posts?
from the Korea Job Information Journal
It's clear in most cases that the posters are people who are chronically malcontent, care little about the job and were just hoping for some easy money. The only good thing about their postings are that they will stop others like themselves from going abroad.
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1078170731-48582.txt
And...if you get a good teaching Job..things are just great!
and ..get those luxury apt with few roomies...ahh its just total fun!
apt these days in seoul are so modern and clean. They got the pools and fitness, 24 assistance...its really nice!!!
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1079216450-2293.txt
So many people complain about their bad expereinces with bad bosses and schools. Why do these poeple always stay. Get Up and leave you have that choice why not do it? Because it really isn't that bad is it?
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1079839325-19184.txt |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:36 am Post subject: |
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I am chronically malcontent... but its because I do care, and am frustratedly trying to educate these kids into English, despite the huge obstacles Korea is continually throwing in the way.
If I really didn't care, nothing much would actually bother me- because I wouldn't be trying to improve the situation.. |
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