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chicken_punch



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Think different. Don't get an Iphone. Smile
Seriously, the iphone is a decent piece of hardware, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I really hate the way Apple operate, forcing you into either doing it their way, or going the jailbreak route and invalidating your warranty.
I went Android because of it's potential for growth. Right now, Apple has way more apps, but it's early days for the Android Market.


Just restore it before you need any work done. Badda-bang, badda-boom!

Also, don't a lot of the carriers for Android force you to do things their way and you have to root it? Isn't that the same thing?
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Think different. Don't get an Iphone. Smile
Seriously, the iphone is a decent piece of hardware, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I really hate the way Apple operate, forcing you into either doing it their way, or going the jailbreak route and invalidating your warranty.
I went Android because of it's potential for growth. Right now, Apple has way more apps, but it's early days for the Android Market.


I'm not sure I understand this logic.

Sure, perhaps the various app stores will catch up in a year or two, but how long do you usualy own a phone for? 2 years? Why not just go with the one that has the juice now, and change over when the scales tip?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the meantime I'll be getting and HTC Evo 4 or a WP7

HTC Evo 4:

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The world�s first 3G/4G Android handset, HTC EVO� 4G, offers a rich mobile Internet experience with a fully integrated suite of services built on the AndroidTM 2.1 platform. HTC EVO 4G includes a blazing-fast 1GHz Qualcomm� Snapdragon� processor, the award-winning HTC SenseTM user experience, an 8.0 megapixel auto-focus camera with HD-capable video camcorder and a forward-facing 1.3 megapixel camera. The large vibrant 4.3 inch display, built-in kickstand, 3.5 mm headset jack and HDMI output make HTC EVO 4G an unparalleled platform for wireless entertainment. Download music, pictures, files, or videos in seconds � not minutes � and watch streaming video on the go on a network with download speeds that are up to 10 times faster than 3G speeds.1 With built-in mobile hotspot functionality, HTC EVO 4G also allows up to eight Wi-Fi-enabled devices, including laptop, camera, music player, video player and any other Wi-Fi-enabled device, to enjoy the benefits of 4G speeds on the go.

http://phandroid.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-specs-published-by-sprint/

WP7
http://www.silverlightshow.net/items/WP7-What-is-Windows-Phone-7.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JqAnhYVeZs
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mishlert wrote:
In the meantime I'll be getting and HTC Evo 4 or a WP7

HTC Evo 4:

Quote:
The world�s first 3G/4G Android handset, HTC EVO� 4G, offers a rich mobile Internet experience with a fully integrated suite of services built on the AndroidTM 2.1 platform. HTC EVO 4G includes a blazing-fast 1GHz Qualcomm� Snapdragon� processor, the award-winning HTC SenseTM user experience, an 8.0 megapixel auto-focus camera with HD-capable video camcorder and a forward-facing 1.3 megapixel camera. The large vibrant 4.3 inch display, built-in kickstand, 3.5 mm headset jack and HDMI output make HTC EVO 4G an unparalleled platform for wireless entertainment. Download music, pictures, files, or videos in seconds � not minutes � and watch streaming video on the go on a network with download speeds that are up to 10 times faster than 3G speeds.1 With built-in mobile hotspot functionality, HTC EVO 4G also allows up to eight Wi-Fi-enabled devices, including laptop, camera, music player, video player and any other Wi-Fi-enabled device, to enjoy the benefits of 4G speeds on the go.

http://phandroid.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-specs-published-by-sprint/

WP7
http://www.silverlightshow.net/items/WP7-What-is-Windows-Phone-7.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JqAnhYVeZs


Does Korea have the Evo 4G? If so, then I'd totally buy that over the Galaxy S.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

t1m1ty wrote:
mishlert wrote:
In the meantime I'll be getting and HTC Evo 4 or a WP7

HTC Evo 4:

Quote:
The world�s first 3G/4G Android handset, HTC EVO� 4G, offers a rich mobile Internet experience with a fully integrated suite of services built on the AndroidTM 2.1 platform. HTC EVO 4G includes a blazing-fast 1GHz Qualcomm� Snapdragon� processor, the award-winning HTC SenseTM user experience, an 8.0 megapixel auto-focus camera with HD-capable video camcorder and a forward-facing 1.3 megapixel camera. The large vibrant 4.3 inch display, built-in kickstand, 3.5 mm headset jack and HDMI output make HTC EVO 4G an unparalleled platform for wireless entertainment. Download music, pictures, files, or videos in seconds � not minutes � and watch streaming video on the go on a network with download speeds that are up to 10 times faster than 3G speeds.1 With built-in mobile hotspot functionality, HTC EVO 4G also allows up to eight Wi-Fi-enabled devices, including laptop, camera, music player, video player and any other Wi-Fi-enabled device, to enjoy the benefits of 4G speeds on the go.

http://phandroid.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-specs-published-by-sprint/

WP7
http://www.silverlightshow.net/items/WP7-What-is-Windows-Phone-7.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JqAnhYVeZs


Does Korea have the Evo 4G? If so, then I'd totally buy that over the Galaxy S.

No, right now you can only buy the Evo in the US.
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mishlert



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatertot wrote:
t1m1ty wrote:
mishlert wrote:
In the meantime I'll be getting and HTC Evo 4 or a WP7

HTC Evo 4:

Quote:
The world�s first 3G/4G Android handset, HTC EVO� 4G, offers a rich mobile Internet experience with a fully integrated suite of services built on the AndroidTM 2.1 platform. HTC EVO 4G includes a blazing-fast 1GHz Qualcomm� Snapdragon� processor, the award-winning HTC SenseTM user experience, an 8.0 megapixel auto-focus camera with HD-capable video camcorder and a forward-facing 1.3 megapixel camera. The large vibrant 4.3 inch display, built-in kickstand, 3.5 mm headset jack and HDMI output make HTC EVO 4G an unparalleled platform for wireless entertainment. Download music, pictures, files, or videos in seconds � not minutes � and watch streaming video on the go on a network with download speeds that are up to 10 times faster than 3G speeds.1 With built-in mobile hotspot functionality, HTC EVO 4G also allows up to eight Wi-Fi-enabled devices, including laptop, camera, music player, video player and any other Wi-Fi-enabled device, to enjoy the benefits of 4G speeds on the go.

http://phandroid.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-specs-published-by-sprint/

WP7
http://www.silverlightshow.net/items/WP7-What-is-Windows-Phone-7.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JqAnhYVeZs


Does Korea have the Evo 4G? If so, then I'd totally buy that over the Galaxy S.

No, right now you can only buy the Evo in the US.

If you don't want to wait, there is a distributor in Korea that sells unlocked Evo 4Gs.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/111592358/We_Sell_100_Brand_New_Original.html

Also, for those of us who want one, when it comes to Korea it'll be on the KT network. At least it will be according to Danawa.
http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?prod_c=1105836&cate_c1=224&cate_c2=230&cate_c3=1708&cate_c4=

Me? Let's just say I'm going to wait and get myself a nice Christmas present.
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lalartu



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in the same boat and went with Galaxy S, which is really down to your own preferences.

iPhone 4 PROs:
-App store is about 50 times bigger than Android (although usefulessness of most apps is questionable, it terms of use, I'd say maybe 4x more useful apps on iTunes right now)
-apparently better resolution, but I wear glasses and couldn't tell if it was better or worse having played with both
-definitely a must if you're into Apple products and own a Mac

Galaxy S/other droids:
-novelty and customization. I love the fact that I can chance anything and everything and make it 10x faster than default settings by playing around with it
-independent of OS, works well anywhere and most apps are a breeze to install. just snap the barcode and you have it in 2 seconds
-SK offers unlimited data and on top of that you can turn your droid into a wifi hotspot, making it a mobile modem. in my book that's a big win over iphone right there
-it doesnt look like a brick (new iphone design is weird)
-has most of the necessary apps and access to three markets (samsung, tstore and android), all of which have independent developers. samsung and t store will definitely dominate in korea over appstore in terms of korea specific apps, which is an instawin in my book too.
-CHEAPER!
-expendable memory/exchangeable battery - a must for me as well especially since my iTOuch has started showing signs of bad battery after a year of use...used to last for 3-4 hours of video, now can only handle 2.5 max.

so overall I think Galaxy S is a winner in Korea and will definitely dominate, especially since Samsung is set on eliminating iphone from the market here.
on top of that, if you really miss the appstore, get an iTouch for 150$ and you get the best of both worlds. i play some games on my itouch, but most of the time use Galaxy S for unlimited internet/camera/anything else.

works fine and since Galaxy S+iTouch is still cheaper than getting iPhone 4, i don't see why anyone would get an iphone at this point in time anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-independent of OS, works well anywhere and most apps are a breeze to install. just snap the barcode and you have it in 2 seconds

Apps aren't that hard to install on the iPhone.

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SK offers unlimited data

so does KT.
Any plan at 55k and above, same as SK.

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has most of the necessary apps and access to three markets (samsung, tstore and android), all of which have independent developers. samsung and t store will definitely dominate in korea over appstore in terms of korea specific apps, which is an instawin in my book too.

The iPhone was here first and the iPod touch was popular here, as such there has already been a mass influx of korean apps on the app store. Plenty of very useful apps, is seoul bus available for android?
as well there are tons of useful e-coupon apps available on the iPhone.

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-expendable memory/exchangeable battery - a must for me as well especially since my iTOuch has started showing signs of bad battery after a year of use...used to last for 3-4 hours of video, now can only handle 2.5 max.

Apple can change your battery, but you can also buy extra batteries to use for it. they just plug into the port and charge it on the go.


There are pros and cons to each system, but keep in mind if you're buying apps it isn't just a phone, it is a system.

It's much less attractive to switch between them once you've invested a lot of money in apps (like the $20 korean/English dictionary I got for my touch)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lalartu wrote:

-App store is about 50 times bigger than Android (although usefulessness of most apps is questionable, it terms of use, I'd say maybe 4x more useful apps on iTunes right now)


I've seen this mentioned a lot, but having never owned an ipod/iphone/ipad I'm curious... What sort of apps are available in the Apple store that are not available for Android?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick70100 wrote:
lalartu wrote:

-App store is about 50 times bigger than Android (although usefulessness of most apps is questionable, it terms of use, I'd say maybe 4x more useful apps on iTunes right now)


I've seen this mentioned a lot, but having never owned an ipod/iphone/ipad I'm curious... What sort of apps are available in the Apple store that are not available for Android?


That's a very difficult question to answer.
With the tens of thousands of apps in both stores it's impossible to say for certain what is in each one, but you'll have a better chance of getting it in the iPhone store (unless it's something they specifically disallow)

There is a lot of crap. There is some utterly useless spammy apps. For example some company creates a college state basketball app, for each bloody state rather than create 1 app with a drop down choice, or some guy who created some game called "space blaster" but feels the need to release a space blaster (country name) version instead of a language choice. Then they turn around and put the apps on sale or something to spam the app tracker databases.

but some good stuff to. Some great Korean apps (daum and naver maps are fantastic, seoul bus is great). I found an incredibly useful flashcard app that lets you create your own flashcards externally, and even include sound, images, etc. in the cards.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
nick70100 wrote:
lalartu wrote:

-App store is about 50 times bigger than Android (although usefulessness of most apps is questionable, it terms of use, I'd say maybe 4x more useful apps on iTunes right now)


I've seen this mentioned a lot, but having never owned an ipod/iphone/ipad I'm curious... What sort of apps are available in the Apple store that are not available for Android?


That's a very difficult question to answer.
With the tens of thousands of apps in both stores it's impossible to say for certain what is in each one, but you'll have a better chance of getting it in the iPhone store (unless it's something they specifically disallow)

There is a lot of crap. There is some utterly useless spammy apps. For example some company creates a college state basketball app, for each bloody state rather than create 1 app with a drop down choice, or some guy who created some game called "space blaster" but feels the need to release a space blaster (country name) version instead of a language choice. Then they turn around and put the apps on sale or something to spam the app tracker databases.

but some good stuff to. Some great Korean apps (daum and naver maps are fantastic, seoul bus is great). I found an incredibly useful flashcard app that lets you create your own flashcards externally, and even include sound, images, etc. in the cards.


So is this statement being made just on the number of apps available? Seoul bus, Naver Maps, and Daum Maps are all available on android. A quick search turns up several flashcard apps. I've never tried any of them, can't say if they're good or not, but they're definitely there. Someone claimed itunes has 4x more "useful" apps right now. If that's true someone must be able to mention some of them. Maybe the only one that I have heard of is Skype, but even in that case there are several android apps that do essentially the same thing, many of which are actually cheaper than Skype if you're calling actual phones.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some part of this is down to the nature of the people who follow and write apps for Apple and those who follow Android.


Those are two very different groups of people. Android app writers are, meh, this will do.......iPhone app writers are doing the holy work...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick70100 wrote:
crossmr wrote:
nick70100 wrote:
lalartu wrote:

-App store is about 50 times bigger than Android (although usefulessness of most apps is questionable, it terms of use, I'd say maybe 4x more useful apps on iTunes right now)


I've seen this mentioned a lot, but having never owned an ipod/iphone/ipad I'm curious... What sort of apps are available in the Apple store that are not available for Android?


That's a very difficult question to answer.
With the tens of thousands of apps in both stores it's impossible to say for certain what is in each one, but you'll have a better chance of getting it in the iPhone store (unless it's something they specifically disallow)

There is a lot of crap. There is some utterly useless spammy apps. For example some company creates a college state basketball app, for each bloody state rather than create 1 app with a drop down choice, or some guy who created some game called "space blaster" but feels the need to release a space blaster (country name) version instead of a language choice. Then they turn around and put the apps on sale or something to spam the app tracker databases.

but some good stuff to. Some great Korean apps (daum and naver maps are fantastic, seoul bus is great). I found an incredibly useful flashcard app that lets you create your own flashcards externally, and even include sound, images, etc. in the cards.


So is this statement being made just on the number of apps available? Seoul bus, Naver Maps, and Daum Maps are all available on android. A quick search turns up several flashcard apps. I've never tried any of them, can't say if they're good or not, but they're definitely there. Someone claimed itunes has 4x more "useful" apps right now. If that's true someone must be able to mention some of them. Maybe the only one that I have heard of is Skype, but even in that case there are several android apps that do essentially the same thing, many of which are actually cheaper than Skype if you're calling actual phones.


Mostly. as I said, it's difficult to compare on an app to app basis. You might find plenty of good apps which appear on both, and you might find tons of other apps which don't.
It's good to see seoul bus there, the kid writing it has been very busy so he barely has time to even update the iphone app, I wasn't sure if he'd have time to make the android app.

A quick search shows me that the Korean "icoupon" application isn't available on android, this is a pretty cool app that delivers you various e-coupons for a bunch of businesses that you can use right off the phone, nor is the afreeca application (used that to watch the olympics when I was out and about)
Also "imembership" which is a korean app that allows you to put all your rewards cards on your iphone (and generates scanable barcodes for them all to use at the counter) also isn't there.

Sometimes when it comes to duplication, duplication isn't always good enough.

Apparently only skype lite beta appears on the android which is too bad since I have a skype calling plan. Having another application using other voice calling is no good to me.

so yes, you could sit around and pick and choose all day, but by sheer volume, the iPhone app store has it, and it also has name recognition. The android market isn't quite there yet so some developers are still only developing for iPhone and not both. now that I'm invested in apps from apple, I likely wouldn't change because it'd be throwing away money.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iTunes independence is great. I hate the fact that i can only install certain apps from the one computer that I set up for my iTouch and they also require syncing as well.
if you're using torrented IPA files, you cant even sync them that easy between computers and will lose all your data if you ever transfer to another computer

during the more recent update, my itouch went nuts, so i had to wipe the whole thing and lost gigs of data and even though some of it was saved on the computer, a lot of it wasnt because it was from torrents or i didnt have enough space on my laptop to save it there

no problem with that on android as both torrents and marketplace apps are quite easy to install/use/save and transfer to/from computer

basically less limitations in terms of file transfer, no hassle to jailbreak either and so on.


I didnt know that KT had an unlimited plan too now.
either way, i don't think there is still a way to use your non jailbroken iphone as a wireless hot spot though. I remember reading that you could do it on a jailbroken phone though, but it was nowhere as convenient or easy as galaxy s.
galaxy s has an actual setting in the phone that lets you use it, making it hassle free and legal.

as for the korean apps, Seoul bus and all other iphone apps have been transfered to android long ago. also smart phones have been around a little longer than iphone in korea. iphone only came out the beginning of the year.
the itouch apps were too simple to be of any use.
most apps i get on tstore now are pretty much iphone transfers and they're getting a bunch of new ones every day.

if you want to officially change your battery on the iphone/itouch it actually costs approx. 200 000 won, which is basically the price of a new unit...
you could do it at yongsan with shady market guys, but it will void your warranty and will most likely make your phone ugly.

there was a similar service online in the US and they only charged 60$, but it turned your phone kind of weird. looked like an actual android after they were done with it

the battery inside your unit will eventually die and need to be changed anyway and that will cost a penny. i've still no idea why apple can't just put a slot on their phones to exchange the battery. biggest scam ever...

as for the app difference, it's very minor in my opinion.
appstore has more selection, but also a lot of the apps that people thought were great were rejected from the appstore and can only be found/used on jailbroken iphones, so in that sense itunes appstore is not that good.
android phones have several markets with different apps, mostly the essential stuff and a lot of the best apps/games that iphone has, but overall, i would say appstore has more choice.
also, dont forget that android apps are 100x easier to make. you only need java programming to create anything you want. it's a big incentive for new developers to get right into it. iphone however required a steep curve of learning a completely new and totally (otherwise) useless system with a separate language and so on. many new developers would choose an easier path.

also, all of the best iphone games have been released on android recently since new phone can play them better than iphone. same goes for best apps.

all the other stuff like dictionaries/maps/transportation/navigation is pretty much the same.

the few apps that are APPSTORE only are just variations of the above. nothing to sing songs about.

actually one game I wish was on android is Legend of Wesnoth, but since it's based on an online java app, i'm sure it will be coming out soon.

one other major advantage for android in my book is the complete google integration. even though iphone does have some google apps, it will never have all of them mostly due to google's interests in promoting its own Gphone.
galaxy s, just as google phones, will enjoy compelte integration, meaning you can/will be able to use gchat/gvoice/geverything else that they will come up with in the near future.
iphone will be limited to youtube and gmail.

gvoice is already an awesome feature that i dont think i would trade for anything. basically you can voice chat with people who have gmail account and you don't waste any minutes and the connection/speed is awesome. in other words, it's like skype, minus the hassle of skype.
you also save your phone time and can pretty much voice chat with anyone anywhere as long as they have it too.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

any app that has 'i' in front of it is probably from the appstore and i dont think the same app would be found on the android market. the least they could do is rename it.

also most iphone transfered apps are on Tstore, not android market.
i just did a search for coupons and found like a 100 different apps. not sure what they do though since i never use coupons anyway.

also when it comes to watching tv, SPB TV and TV.COM are absolutely amazing. i didnt watch olympics, as i was actually working there haha, but im sure it could handle that fine.

i have SPB TV installed and it gives me access to ~200 international channels including sports and other stuff for free. i kind of wish it had more movie channels, but im sure theyll add them in the future.

both apps are free on android phones.

so my point being is both appstore and android related stores have same stuff, you just have to look for it as it probably has different name.

skype is coming out very soon and there are a bunch of similar apps that do the same thing now anyway.

i would take gchat over skype anyway though. it's free and more convinient for me.
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