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eslwriter



Joined: 15 Sep 2010
Location: A dot on the planet with an exaggerated sense of importance.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that some people might think it's not nice to keep money deposited by accident in one's bank account.

So what?

It's the law. And, I guess, karma.

There used to be a saying among ESL teachers and it went like this.

"It's not a question if you are going to be cheated by your employer. The real question is How Much?"

I've been cheated here quite a bit. That little bonus was karma.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, it's not like you're taking money out of some mom and pop hagwon that isn't going to make ends meet now.
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texasspangler



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Gangwon-do

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is your last name Spangler? Cause then you have the same first and last names as a guy I knew last year who worked in suwon. Im pretty sure you aren't him though.


Yup the last name is Spangler. I am Jacob Spangler (Jake for short) some of my friends tried to add him on skype a couple of times (what are the chances of 2 jake spanglers in korea). I think he started calling himself the real jake spangler or something like that.
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texasspangler



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Gangwon-do

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well put it this way that money that you kept was not intented for you and the person that was waiting on it mostly likely was stressed out of their mind.

I know my school tried to tell me that I needed to talk to the guy and ask for the money back. They didn't want to take responcibility for their mistake but I got the POE involved and they called the guy and he was pretty cool and sent the money back to my school.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In western countries the common law doctrine is one of 'unjust enrichment'. That means you can't bull ahead and blow any deposit from out of the blue.

I suspect that Korea has something similar.
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eslwriter



Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea, there is no such thing as unjust enrichment.

Enrichment by any means is considered good.

If you read the newspapers, you surely would have gotten that message.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must concede that I have often got the message, loud and clear.

It's a mixed bag though. On a personal level Koreans can be exceedingly generous, whereas us waygukin are very slow to put hand in pocket.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eslwriter wrote:
In Korea, there is no such thing as unjust enrichment.

Enrichment by any means is considered good.

If you read the newspapers, you surely would have gotten that message.


Unfortunately for your claim I DO read the newspapers and this is NOT the message I get from this article.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/10/202_68903.html


57 headmasters and 50 principals were dismissed/disciplined for illegal enrichment.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
eslwriter wrote:
In Korea, there is no such thing as unjust enrichment.

Enrichment by any means is considered good.

If you read the newspapers, you surely would have gotten that message.


Unfortunately for your claim I DO read the newspapers and this is NOT the message I get from this article.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/10/202_68903.html


57 headmasters and 50 principals were dismissed/disciplined for illegal enrichment.


You're comparing a foreign teacher who had money wrongly deposited in his account with Principals who were taking bribes and kickbacks? Quite a stretch, don't you think?
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I don't see the similarity there.

So here is what I did.

I told my coteacher what happened because I was assuming this guy wanted his money. I didn't want to get anyone in trouble by taking it because they made a simple (yet stupid) mistake. She called the school and the NET gave his account number. They deposited some money to cover the transfer fee and I sent the money to the teacher.

For those of you saying that you would keep the money...well I hope you're just trying to sound "cool" on an internet forums. Because your selfish decisions make you look greedy, can cause real harm to people who are affected by them, and are just generally deplorable as far as trying to be a decent human being goes. So many losers on Daves.......
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eslwriter



Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right jrwhite 82.

Tell us how it is. Tell us how deplorable the others are when their actions (though legal in this country) differ from your morality.

Then tell us how sweet you are. How you are so benevolent, how your acts of consideration are so shiny, they make others look dull in comparison

You know what's really deplorable? Plunkheads on Dave's who need to put others down by telling everyone how great he/she is because they don't measure up to his/her moral yardstick.

You sad little person.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
eslwriter wrote:
In Korea, there is no such thing as unjust enrichment.

Enrichment by any means is considered good.

If you read the newspapers, you surely would have gotten that message.


Unfortunately for your claim I DO read the newspapers and this is NOT the message I get from this article.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/10/202_68903.html


57 headmasters and 50 principals were dismissed/disciplined for illegal enrichment.


You're comparing a foreign teacher who had money wrongly deposited in his account with Principals who were taking bribes and kickbacks? Quite a stretch, don't you think?


Read more carefully. I am not making any such comparison. I am merely taking issue with Mr. eslwriter's claim that enrichment by any means is considered good in Korea. As we can see by the article that is false.
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eslwriter



Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa.

Am I to understand that a single newspaper story about the arrest of some education people weakens the validty of my idea?

C'mon. Is this a university debate club where a quantum of doubt is enough to sway the judges?

Actually, I should thank you for proving my idea. That any means, even illegal methods, are considered options for enrichment. Yeah, the people in your example got busted. But, most reasonable people who have lived in Korea for a while and have taken the time to learn about this culture know the law is hardly a deterrent to corruption when it comes to matters of the pocketbook.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eslwriter wrote:
Whoa.

Am I to understand that a single newspaper story about the arrest of some education people weakens the validty of my idea?

C'mon. Is this a university debate club where a quantum of doubt is enough to sway the judges?

Actually, I should thank you for proving my idea. That any means, even illegal methods, are considered options for enrichment. Yeah, the people in your example got busted. But, most reasonable people who have lived in Korea for a while and have taken the time to learn about this culture know the law is hardly a deterrent to corruption when it comes to matters of the pocketbook.


And that is the same in ANY culture for some people. Anyway I disproved your idea. You state that any means are considered options for enrichment. You further stated that "In Korea, there is no such thing as enjust enrichment. Enrichment by any means is considered good."


Were that so, the people in my example would not have been busted.

And that's just one example. How about those CEO's who spent time in jail for tax evasion?
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eslwriter wrote:
That any means, even illegal methods, are considered options for enrichment.


In my post I say that it is illegal in Korea to become unjustly enriched, not anything about 'considered options'; some posters on this thread are reading past each other. Maybe the enforcement of the law leaves a lot to be desired.

In my opinion a foreigner here who would deign to keep a wrongly credited amount as his/her own, is the same person who would be predisposed to be active in any bribe accepting society. Or should I say it is the equivalent behavior, or its counterpart.

Koreans like to pull sly tricks where money is concerned, I think we can take that as a given. On the other hand, you don't have to check your change, a cellphone dropped in a taxi or elsewhere has a good chance of making its way back to you.

It's like a dream come true, isn't it, when a huge amount of money pops up in your account? Makes one all on horns of the dilemma doesn't it, for however short a time?

Waging a war of virtue, the one poster took a whole weekend to mull over things, to debate all first. And then she came to her senses.

I say, "Well Done!!!", another feather in our collective cap.
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